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Sunday, October 14, 2012

PBS DOCUMENTARY PRODUCERS FIND NO EVIDENCE OBAMA ATTENDED COLUMBIA


“I DIDN’T CONSIDER HIM AMERICAN”Interviewing several people from Obama’s past, producers of “The Choice” documentary about the coming 2012 election find it inexplicable that there are no Columbia classmates who can attest to Obama’s attendance there. 

By Dan Crosby
of The Daily Pen

updated 9:37 a.m. 10/15/12

NEW YORK, NY - A recent documentary about the life of Barack Obama broadcast on PBS’ “Frontline” called “The Choice 2012” presents a variety of testimony from alleged classmates of Obama during their mutual attendance of Occidental College and Harvard University.

However, when the producers attempted to film a segment about Obama’s attendance at Columbia University, they were unable to locate even one of Obama’s classmates from the New York-based University and, instead, recorded an interview with an alleged “roommate” who shared a rundown New York apartment with Obama. 

Because of this lack of first hand testimony about Obama’s presence at Columbia, the documentary disproportionately abbreviates its coverage of these years of Obama's life, from 1981 to 1983, when compared with its coverage of Obama’s other school attendance.  The documentary focuses instead on Obama’s residence in New York and presents a soliloquy about how traveling from the west coast to the east coast changed Obama’s perspective on race but mentions nothing about his relationship with Columbia students or faculty.
 
By Obama’s own admission, he traveled to Pakistan, India and Indonesia in 1981, but no record or passport from his trip has ever been made public.  Conspicuously, the PBS documentary makes no mention of Obama's travel outside the United States at this time.  

"That's a pretty significant event for a 20 year old kid," says Karen Welch, spokesperson for the Community Television Initiative, "One would think it worthy of inclusion in a world-wide broadcast about the biography of the President."    

At the 33 minute mark of the 1 hour 55 minute documentary, PBS begins a segment about Obama’s arrival in mainland America after his graduation from Hawaii’s highest ranked prep school, Punahou Academy, in 1979.  The segment begins with interview cuts with Obama’s former Occidental College roommates, Eric Moore, Louis Hook, Caroline Grauman, Sohale Siddiqi and author David Maraniss describing Obama’s time at the Los Angeles college.

“I didn’t consider him American,” admits Sohale Siddiqi, “He seemed like an international individual.”

“I didn’t consider him American.  He seemed like an international individual.”

"I was visiting his roommate in Los Angeles, Hasan Chandoo, who was also going to Occidental College with him. And after New Year's Eve we drove back from San Francisco to Los Angeles, and I spent a couple of weeks there," says Siddiqi. 


Many questions still remain about the relationship between Chandoo and Obama.  However, more suspicious is the fact that the documentary gives no biographical information about Chandoo or his relationship with Obama after the two had allegedly attended Occidental together. 

"Apparently, the producers made no effort to contact Chandoo for this piece or make his account of the story a part of this documentary," says Welch, "which is strange considering the rumors and testimony about how close they were.  They, apparently, traveled the world together and knew each other intimately for years, but PBS omitted him.  Strange."  

“'My father was Kenyan',” describes Moore, of a conversation in which Obama tells him about his origins, “he said, ’I go by the name ‘Barry’ so I don’t have to explain my name all the time.'”

“One day, he (Obama) told me he was going to transfer to Columbia,” Moore continued, “he said he needed a more expansive environment, a more urban environment where he could grow intellectually."

Full of other benign biographical allegations about Obama, the documentary also conspicuously omits how he was able to afford his move from the southwestern U.S to the northeastern U.S and the exorbitant tuition needed to attend Columbia. 

The documentary provides no insight on what might have prompted to Obama to choose Columbia, whether he was provided with some unknown financial opportunity, how he qualified for admission or when he first registered and attended classes.  By all accounts he had no publicly known connection to anyone in New York and no record of Obama's academic performance at Columbia has ever been made public, either. 

"If you relied on this documentary as a source of truth about whether Obama actually attended Columbia," says Welch, "you would be left with no choice but to conclude he did not." 

Boston Globe columnist, Scott Helman wrote Obama “flew across the United States”, but does not explain how Obama paid airfare or if he took any belongings.  The documentary goes on to report that Obama took residence on the “edge of Harlem”.
 
"If you relied on this documentary as a source of truth about whether Obama actually attended Columbia,you would be left with no choice but to conclude he did not." 

By all accounts, Obama was not a good student at Occidental.  His easy going lifestyle, according to PBS, left him restless and wanting, so it’s difficult to imagine that Obama attended Columbia on a merit scholarship.  If Obama actually registered for classes at Columbia, there remains no documented evidence that he actually attended them, or how he paid the tuition.

At the 37:20 mark, the documentary segues into an interview with an alleged New York roommate of Obama’s named Phil Boerner.  According to the documentary, they lived at 339 E. 6th, Apt. 6A. 

The fact that Boerner is white having lived in Harlem with a black roommate raises questions about the nature of the living arrangement and if Boerner was a classmate of Obama’s at Columbia.  However, the documentary does not publish testimony from Boerner that he attended Columbia.   Boerner gives copious descriptions of the apartment, but provides no information about Obama’s attendance at Columbia.

For more than five minutes of material during the “Obama in New York” segment of the documentary, appearing immediately after the quote from Moore, there is absolutely no mention of Obama’s attendance at Columbia.  Instead the story devolves into Obama’s experiences with poverty, race, social isolation and ideology.  No mention of his attendance at Columbia is made. 

Former Libertarian VP candidate, Wayne Allyn Root has publicly stated that he never saw Obama at Columbia from 1980 to 1983.  Obama alleges that he was a classmate of Root’s enrolled in the same courses and the same major but Root says if that was true, he would remember him. 

“I was a poli-sci major, apparently just like Obama, in a class of about 400 or so people,” says Root, “and I, nor anyone I know ever remember seeing, talking to or being with Barack Obama while we attended Columbia.  Not one single person.  We don’t remember him in any of our classes.  We don’t remember him on campus.  We can’t find one professor that remembers grading him on any assignment.   It’s bizarre, like he was a ghost among us.” 

The documentary then claims that several of Obama’s Occidental classmates joined him in New York, including Siddiqi.

“I think the first thing we experienced was complete intimidation by New York City,” says Siddiqi, “which seemed rougher and tougher and uncivilized more than any other place either of us had lived.  Both of us were questioning ‘why the heck did we come to this place?’  It was scary and we had no resources.”

If Siddiqi's account is true regarding his and Obama's economic situation, then the question becomes more amplified: How did he afford Columbia's tuition and expenses? 

Siddiqi also provide no supporting testimony that Obama actually attended Columbia.  He never mentions Obama’s experiences as a college student while in New York.

Author, David Maraniss, expounds on the the impact living in New York had on Obama saying, “I think New York was the key to his life.  He made no lasting African-American friends during those four years, in New York."

“The NY years are marked by this kind of ‘turning inward’ for Obama,” says Obama biographer, Jodi Kantor.

“He spends time reading, fasting, wandering the city.  There’s this almost monk-like existence.”

If Kantor's account is correct about Obama reading, fasting and wandering, what was Obama reading if not text books from his Columbia classes.  Also, if Obama spent time wandering the city, was it at night when he had no classes?  Was Obama "fasting" as a voluntary religious practice, or does Kantor use the term as a way to hedge the truth that Obama was actually starving? 

Strangely, Maraniss and Kantor make no allusion to Obama’s alleged attendance at Columbia which is a shocking impasse to the theme of this segment considering the research Maraniss and Kantor are alleged to have done for their respective biographies about Obama.

“It’s the period of his life where he does the least,” says Maraniss, “But figures out the most.”

At the 41:21 mark, the documentary segues to Obama’s life in Chicago without so much as providing a single interview or piece of evidence from eyewitnesses or Columbia University demonstrating that Obama ever attended Columbia.  

PBS’ presentation of this part of Obama’s biography further raises suspicions about Obama’s activities during the early 1980’s.  Many have reason to believe that Obama was able to attend Harvard as a foreign student on a foreign student scholarship, after he returned from Pakistan sometime in 1982.

If Obama attended college as a foreign student, his natural born eligibility to be president would fall into suspicion.  Renouncing or losing one's American citizenship constitutionally disqualifies them from being a presidential candidate.

Like so much of Obama's covert past, PBS' documentary, "The Choice 2012" only confirms that the American people have never been allowed to review actual documented evidence of Obama’s so-called Columbia years.    

47 comments:

  1. This PBS documentary led the listener to believe that Sohale Siddiqi went to Occidental with Obama. This is so far from the truth that one has to wonder why they used this individual as a reference to anything that Obama has done in his life. The truth is Siddiqi was an illegal alien, who only met Obama because he visited a friend, Hasan Chandoo, in Los Angeles during Christmas, 1980. Do we know even to this day if Sohale Siddiqi became an American citizen? Is Hasan Chandoo an American citizen? did he marry an American citizen? The only person Siddiqi could mention by name in this Documentary was "Vinay". Vinay Thummalapally, current Ambassador to Belize, also never attended Occidental, was an Indian student who did not return to India after studying in America, but met Obama only because he was the former roomate of Hasan Chandoo before Obama moved in during the summer of 1980, is Thummalapally an American citizen? did he marry an American citizen? Well actually he is married to Barbara Thummalapally who actually did go to Occidental, was in the same class as Hasan Chandoo, and met her husband to be because of that connection because you see she was also a foreign student from India, back in those days she went by the name Barbara Nichols-Roy. Her father Stanley Nichols Roy was the General Secretary of the region known as Assam, a northeastern state of India. He was married to Helen Randolph who relinquished her American citizenship. So Barbara Thummalapally was a foreign student but also did not return to India after her education in America, did she become an American citizen? Wahid Hamid also a friend of Hasan Chandoo and a foreign student from Pakistan, and like Chandoo his heritage was Indian not Pakistani. Both their parents moved from India to Pakistan during the 1947 Partition. Hamid transferred from Occidental to CalTech in 1981 and graduated from there in 1983. Hamid also did not return to Pakistan after gaining his education in America as a foreign student, did he become an American citizen? Imad Hussein, Obama's roomate in his 1st year at Oxy, another foreign student from Pakistan, now a Boston banker, also did not return to Pakistan after gaining his American education, did he become a citizen? All of these people at one time or another have referred to Obama as "International". It is about time somebody, somewhere breaks through this wall of silence and exposes the truth behind this man.

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  2. Just Happened!
    http://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/blogs/just-happened?xg_source=activity
    “Food For Thought”
    Semper Fi!
    Jake

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  3. SPREAD THIS FAR AND WIDE!! THIS MUST GO VIRAL!!!
    MARK YOUR MONEY BILLS TODAY!!! We have 3 weeks to mark as many money bills as we can get our hands on. Every time you buy something with your cash, you are sending the message across the country on our money - NO to Obama on 11/06/2012 and YES to Romney on 11/06/2012. Do Not Delay! Please mark your money bills.

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  5. Obama is a Fraud and a Traitor.
    Google:
    "There is NO 'President'Obama"
    and
    The Atlah Obama Columbia Trial

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  6. To further Obama's "international" credentials his new found connections in New York were also not "american citizens" but were named as influences in his life. To begin a quote from Hasan Chandoo Obama's Sophomore Roommate:

    “Barack was a bookworm,” says Hasan Chandoo ’81, a financial consultant in New York and Obama’s roommate during his sophomore year at Oxy. “He had to quit basketball to concentrate on his school work.” Chandoo notes that Obama first became politicized at Occidental, where the two became involved in the anti-apartheid movement and attended rallies for causes like Citizens in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador (CISPES). “He could have made a lot of money, become an investment banker. But it was clear that he was taken with politics. He was always reading a book like Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man, and it took over his life.”

    In New York Obama, through Chandoo met two other "pakistanis"..but bear in mind a major timeline, Chandoo did not return to America until 1983, after Obama had allegedly graduated from Columbia and was now "working" in the "private sector"....Chandoo himself left Occidental after graduation in 1981, went home to Pakistan for the summer of '81, moved to London to work with his family's business later that summer and eventually met up with Obama again in '83 in New York. Accoding to David MAraniss in the book Obama: The Story "Hasan Chandoo had moved back from London and taken a place in a converted warehouse on the waterfront below Brooklyn Heights. Wahid Hamid, starting a rise up the corporate ladder that would take him to the top of PepsiCo, lived on Long Island with his wife. Sohale Siddiqi was part of the crowd, along with Beenu Mahmood." Beenu was a nick name for a Pakistani gentleman whose full name was Mahboob M Mahmood. A quote from Beenu in the book is a follows "Beenu Mahmood saw a shift in Obama that corresponded to Genevieve’s perceptions. He could see Obama slowly but carefully distancing himself as a necessary step in establishing his political identity as an American. For years when Barack was around them, he seemed to share their attitudes as sophisticated outsiders who looked at politics from an international perspective. He was one of them, in that sense. But to get to where he wanted to go he had to change."

    Another person in that group that Obama identified with a was a women he referred to as Ahad, she cooked the wonderful meals over which they discussed the politics of the day, Ahad, a university drop-out, ran a travel agency for several years in London until she moved to the US and got married to a law graduate. It was here she discovered a passion for cooking and enrolled at the Institute of Culinary Education in New York and then worked as a line cook for about four years before moving to Singapore in 1997. She married a law graduate. The name of that law graduate was Beenu Mahmood or otherwise known as Mahboob Mahmood. Samia Ahad, is originally from Pakistan.

    Beenu Mahmood - http://www.insead.edu/facultyresearch/faculty/profiles/MMahmood

    Samia Ahad - http://www.iceculinary.com/alumni/people/people_80.shtml

    Fortunately for these two folks they were smart enough not to get involved with Obama. But just 2 more folks that Obama identified with who were not American in his years between HAwaii, Occidental and Columbia, go figure.

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  7. nowhere in this documentary do they even hint at such
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    "If you relied on this documentary as a source of truth about whether Obama actually attended Columbia,you would be left with no choice but to conclude he did not."

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  8. Columbia University has said that Obama attended Columbia College, and even graduated.

    http://www.wikicu.com/Barack_Obama

    http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct/jan_feb09/alumni_corner

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM116_obamaessay.html

    "One person who did remember Mr. Obama was Michael L. Baron, who taught a senior seminar on international politics and American policy. Mr. Baron, now president of an electronics company in Florida, said he was Mr. Obama’s adviser on the senior thesis for that course. Mr. Baron, who later wrote Mr. Obama a recommendation for Harvard Law School, gave him an A in the course." (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0)

    "A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science." (http://www.nysun.com/editorials/a-gift-from-obama/88021/)

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    1. Now we understand why you refuse to indentify yourself. You are ashamed. Your vigor for being wrong is entertaining, but those lies were debunked long ago. Some advice. Stop getting your material from Wikipedia and MSNBC.

      I graduated from Princeton University in 1986. Obama's claims of attendance of Columbia University are ridiculous. First, the professor you cite (his name was not Baron), a close friend of Khalid Monsour (a.k.a. Don Warden) a former member of the racist Black Panther org, and Thomas Ayers, chief advisor of the Bank Street gang and the African Leadership Academy, first told reporters, "I did not know Barack Obama before spring of 1983", during which Obama is alleged to have taken a seminar class under "curriculum by arrangement", which means Obama never actually attended class taught by him.

      However, when records of this relationship between Obama and Columbia faculty were requested by media, no documented evidence of Obama's academics at Columbia, under any professor, has ever been found by the media, investigators or Columbia administrators. There is no class schedule, no transcript, no graded papers, no record of attendance, no final test results, no testimony from any fellow student. Your example is ridiculous on its face.

      Also, it has long been proven no recommendation for Obama occurred except ONLY AFTER it was arranged for Obama to attend Harvard FIVE YEARS LATER in 1988, after he returned from his first trip to Kenya, when Ayers had agreed to pay Obama's way through law school via the ALA. Therefore, having been a PS prof, the wrongly named professor you cite was a logical choice for one of the required letters of recommendation which, when requested by such high profile donors, Thomas Ayers (Bill Ayers graduated from Columbia in 1987) simply requested the recommendation on Obama's behalf and it was done without further inquiry.

      Connolly only cited information provided to him from the CU administration office AFTER the controversy over Obama's Columbia attendance spurred investigation which failed to locate any documentation of Obama's attendence there between Fall of 1981 and Fall of 1982. Notice the date of your citation. Word of advice, citing the New York Times does not lend credibility to your dishonest claims to our readers. All websites citing Obama's attendence at Columbia did not appear before 2009. No internet site alleging Obama's attendance at Columbia appeared before 2009! Weak examples. Very, very weak and pathetic.

      Obama was provided with a foreign student status which allowed him to receive both AA admittance and foreign scholarships. This is why Obama refuses to allow the public to see his records from Columbia. Therefore, in the absence of those records, he did attend.
      Politico???? LOL.

      Still waiting on your real name and location. Tick tock.

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    2. "A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science." (http://www.nysun.com/editorials/a-gift-from-obama/88021/)

      Oh, and Obama got into Harvard Law School. It is a considerable stretch to think that Obama got into Harvard Law School without graduating from college, which you apparently allege.

      Re "foreign student status." That story came originally from an April Fool's article originally published on April 1, 2009. There has never been a word of confirmation. And the idea that a US college would give foreign student status to a graduate of a US high school is not realistic. The purpose in granting foreign student status is to bring the experience of living a life in a foreign country for more than a few years to the campus. Oh, and the Indonesian government says that Obama was never an Indonesian citizen, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm.

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    3. In another posting you have claimed that the officials in Hawaii are lying about Obama's place of birth.

      Now you are claiming that Columbia University, and Obama's former roommate and Wikipedia and the New York Times are all lying about Obama attending Columbia College. Oh, and apparently Harvard Law School must be part of the plot. How else to explain how Harvard Law School let Obama attend without Obama graduating from college---which if he did not attend Columbia would probably be likely.

      Was this forged?:
      http://www.politico.com/static/PPM116_obamaessay.html

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    4. Actually, a more accurate assessment of my perspective on the State of Hawaii is that I believe they are exploiting the fullest possible capacity of their respective state laws, which are quite possibly in violation of the Constitution, under the abject provisions cited to them by the state's District Attorney...perhaps even pushing so hard against them in service of Obama that they are actually re-writing statutes as needed (i.e. HAA 100) allowing them to fulfill the objective of covering for Obama within the ever expanding boundaries of their ridiculous laws. So, here's the final word we know on Hawaiian government. They benefit financially by increasing the number of vital records they process, especially birth records. Population drives municipal budgets and the federal tax money they receive per capita. Therefore, the more people they say live in Hawaii, the more money they get for infrastructure, public health services and municipal operations.

      Your conclusions are shallow. I do not believe the government of the State of Hawaii is actively engaged in an illegal conspiracy to hide Obama's foreign birth and identity. Evidence strongly indicates they are acting within the limits of their autonomous laws way out there in the pacific ocean, apart from accountability to anyone who opposes Obama, to provide just enough information in a legally contrived way to give an appearance that Obama is legitimate. However, common sense and logic tells any normal, decent, moral person of God that he is not!

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  9. http://www.thefogbow.com/disembodied/friends/#Columbia

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  10. A newspaper article written by Vernon Jarrett in 1979 (the father-in-law of senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett) reveals that he was a close friend of Obama's Communist Party-activist mentor, Frank Marshall Davis who, many believe, is actually Obama’s biological father.
    The Nov. 6, 1979, column by Vernon Jarrett in the St. Petersburg Independent was unearthed by Frank Miele, editor of the Daily Inter Lake in Montana.

    In the column, which originally appeared in the Chicago Tribune Nov. 2, 1979, Jarrett reported a proposal by Islamic radical and Black Panther Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Monsour, aka Donald Warden, to work on behalf of Saudi Arabia and OPEC to provide $20 million for 10 years to aid 10,000 minority students each year.

    Davis and Vernon Jarrett were close friends in Chicago and colleagues at the Chicago Defender and the Chicago Star, two communist-run newspapers in the 1940s.

    In early 1948, Davis and Jarrett served together on the publicity committee of the Citizen's Committee to Aid Packing-House Workers, a communist-organized labor union that represented workers in the meatpacking industry.

    Vernon Jarrett’s path crossed that of Frank Marshall Davis when Barack Obama, Frank Marshall Davis’ son, needed financing to attend Harvard.
    Obama was in Chicago at the time, and Jarrett was on the scene to find politically favorable funding from a former Black Panther turned Black Muslim in the person of Khalid Al-Monsour, who had a convenient relationship with one of the richest men in the world , Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal
    As a former colleague of Davis in Chicago, he said, Jarrett had reason to want to connect Obama with al-Mansour’s funding program. Jarrett helped finance Frank’s son, possibly explaining why Obama would later return to use the connection once again, when he sought to get his wife, Michelle Obama, hired into Chicago Mayor Harold Washington’s office by none other than Valerie Jarrett, daughter-in-law of Vernon Jarrett.
    The 1979 article also sheds light on the claim that veteran New York power broker and well-known attorney, Percy Sutton, intervened at the request of al-Mansour to write a letter of recommendation to get Obama into Harvard Law School. All it would have taken was for Vernon Jarrett to introduce Obama, the son of Frank Marshall Davis, to Al-Monsour.

    Sutton explained on the New York-produced "Inside City Hall" television show that al-Monsour brought Obama to his attention. Sutton said al-Mansour told him about Obama in a letter which read, “There’s a young man that has applied to Harvard. I know that you have a few friends left there because you used to go up there to speak. Would you please write a letter in support of him?"

    Al-Monsour, of course, knew he could fund Obama through the Saudi prince, but first Obama had to get accepted into Harvard Law School for the plan to work. Al-Monsour realized Sutton had the necessary connections to make his recommendation credible to the Harvard Law School admittance committee.

    This is why Obama was so well accepted in the Chicago-based Muslim community, including by pro-Palestinian professor Rashid Khalidi and Syrian-born Democratic fundraiser Tony Rezko, who is now serving a prison sentence for fraud and bribery.

    Tony Rezko and his many Arab-American partners funded Obama's political campaigns, his state Senate races, his failed congressional race and his U.S. Senate campaign. It appears Obama's academic career funders handed him off to Rezko's Arab network to advance Obama's political career, but to what ends?


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  11. Financial indebtedness to the Saudis might explain why Obama was so deferential as to bow to the Saudi king upon meeting him for the first time, at the G20 meeting in London in 2009.

    Question 1: What do the Arabs expect in return from Obama for the academic and political funding?

    Question 2: Is Barack Obama subject to blackmail under threats of revealing the source of his academic funding, from those Arabs if he does not follow their wishes?

    Question 3: Does the Jarrett-Al-Monsour connection dating from the time Obama went to Harvard explain why Obama has conducted an open-door policy for the Muslim Brotherhood to penetrate the White House, the State Department and even the U.S. military?

    Question 4: How about Obama's hostility toward Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu?

    Allen Hulton, a U.S. Postal Service carrier who delivered mail to the home of Weather Underground bomber Bill Ayers’ parents in suburban Chicago, says he was told by Mrs. Ayers that she and her husband helped finance Obama’s education at Harvard Law School.
    We know Obama comes out of a nexus of people in Chicago that includes not only Frank Marshall Davis and Vernon Jarrett but also Tony Rezko, Valerie Jarrett and the Bill Ayers family.

    All of this material evidence strongly suggests Obama used all of these connections to advance himself academically and politically.

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  13. Re bowing to Saudi Prince:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=606&tbm=isch&tbnid=OYhLVBV3TVQr_M:&imgrefurl=http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%2520in%2520Government/carlyle_exposed.htm&docid=gIHts8_mztltDM&imgurl=http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%2527s%252520Corner/bush_holding_hands.jpg&w=370&h=278&ei=HHN3UIKlF6b40gGi34HQCg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=297&vpy=157&dur=525&hovh=135&hovw=185&tx=108&ty=81&sig=107771693290648990883&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=185&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:75

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/russians-building-naval-base-in-cubawhere-is-obama-do-we-have-a-leader/question-3113699/?link=ibaf&q=&imgurl=http://cdn.criticalppp.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/BushKissingSaudiPrince.jpg

    These pictures show George W. Bush holding hands with and KISSING a Saudi Prince.

    I suppose you could reply: "He was friends of the family." Well that is true, but that is influence isn't it? The influence of the Saudi leaders on the US oil community was and is vastly more than the speculated possible influence on minority students. Moreover, the idea that the Saudi Royals would throw billions of dollars away on black students with socialist leanings is nutty in the extreme.

    Re Hulton. He said no such thing. He said that Ayers were at the time helping to finance a foreign student. He did not say Harvard Law School. And he said were at the time helping to finance. So that cannot have been Obama. Why not? Because at the time Obama HAD GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE AND HARVARD LAW SCHOOL and was no longer a student at all. At the time Obama was teaching at the U. of Chicago Law School.

    Re: Davis. The evidence that Obama's real father was Davis is exactly the same as Mitt Romney's real father being Harpo Marx----none. Haven't you noticed how much Mitt looks like Harpo?

    The posting began with a claim that Obama did not attend Columbia. Then when that was disproved massively, in particular by gsgs in this: http://www.thefogbow.com/disembodied/friends/#Columbia---the site went on to speculate about the Saudi Royal family funding tens of thousands of minority students. (Did you know that such contributions would have to be in tax returns, so the US government would know if the Saudis were funding lots of minority students) and then to the vague recollections of a Chicago mail man who did not mention Obama by name.

    On this site the author of this blog has claimed that Columbia University and Obama's roommate and the New York Times and Harvard Law School are all lying. On another site, he claims that the government of Hawaii under Republican and Democrat administrations are lying about Obama being forn there, and that the government of Kenya is lying that Obama was not born there, and perhaps that the Bush Administration was lying when it Bush said that it did not find any evidence that Obama was born overseas.

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    1. That should read: "lying about being born there..."

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  14. The posting began with a claim that Obama did not attend Columbia. Then when that was disproved massively, in particular by gsgs in this: http://www.thefogbow.com/disembodied/friends/#Columbia

    Disproved massively, that's a stretch, let us analyze the disproving shall we.

    Part One:

    New York: Columbia University.
    The article is headlined by a photo of a young looking Obama with nothing connecting it to New York nor Columbia, a photo of Obama and his grandparents sitting on a bench in Central Park and a photo of Obama alone sitting on a wall in Central Park, wearing the same clothes as in the grandparents picture. Hmmm no photo of Obama at Columbia University, just evidence that he was in New York. Strike 1.

    Official Sources: Brian Connolly and Robert Hornsby, Columbia spokesmen, both basically same the same thing but only Mr. Hornsby went on record and was quoted as saying "Barack Obama applied for and was granted admission to Columbia College as a transfer student in 1981. He enrolled for the fall term of that year as a political science major. With the conclusion of the spring semester of 1983, Obama completed the requirements for a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and graduated with his class." Unpacking this statement reveals a remarkable history of Obama and his attendance at Columbia University. As a transfer student from Occidental Mr. Obama would bring with him a certain number of credits. Columbia University allows no more that 12 transfer credits toward a major in Political Science. So lets assume Obama received all 12. "He enrolled for the fall term of that year as a political science major." Yes he did and for that he received 9 credits. During that same semester Obama took as required a seminar in "modern fiction with the late fabled Edward Said", earning him 4 credits. "With the conclusion of the spring semester of 1983, Obama completed the requirements for a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and graduated with his class." Yes he did, by taking an "intense, 8 student honors seminar called American Foreign Policy" taught by Michael L Baron, earning him 4 credits. Add up these credits 12+9+4+4 and you have twenty nine. The major in political science requires a total of 29 points. Hmmm so is Robert Hornsby confirming that after one semester Fall 1981 and one intense seminar in Spring 1983 Mr. Obama "completed the requirements for a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science". So where did Mr. Obama spend the whole of 1982.

    Columbia University Directory: Several addresses in New York and Honolulu are not evidence that Mr. Obama attended a University from Fall 1981 to Spring 1983.

    Columbia College, Columbia University web site. Columbia Spectator, Columbia College. Columbia College Today, Jan 2005. We all know that Barack Obama holds a BA from Columbia University. He does, it’s true we know it. Web sites, College Magazines and Newspapers stating that fact is not evidence that the same Barack Obama actually attended classes. Regurgitating the words, as these publications do, from that same person is hearsay, not evidence.

    National Student Clearinghouse
    “... according to information provided by the [National Student Clearinghouse] to a WND source, Obama attended from "09/1981" to "05/1983" and finished with a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science.” Again this is not evidence of attendance, it is evidence of enrollment.

    PUBLICATIONS
    Sundial, March 10, 1983 "Breaking the War Mentality" - Aha, finally, real evidence Barack Obama was actually in attendance at Columbia University on March 10, 1983. Fogbow wins one.



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  15. Part two:

    FELLOW STUDENTS

    Here begins a list of students that attended and remembers Barack Obama at Columbia University between Sep 9, 1981 and May 1983. First up Phil Boerner, Classmate and Roommate, another win for Fogbow, Phil indeed transferred from Oxy to Columbia and roomed with Mr. Obama during that first semester, until the end of that year when they went their separate ways housing wise, “we stayed in touch and remained friends“. Wait, stayed friends and remained in touch? You just said they were classmates at the same University, didn’t Phil see Obama in classes, did they not study in the same library, were they not cramming for the same tests together. What’s that you say? They were never “classmates” at Columbia. So after that first semester rooming together Phil has no knowledge that Mr. Obama attended any classes thereafter. Hmmm.

    Next up Sohale Siddiqi, Classmate and Roommate. After Barry and Phil broke up and went their separate ways. Barack moved in with “Sadik” so again Fogbow gets it right, finding evidence of someone Mr Obama roomed with during his time in New York City. “Sadik” turned out to be Sohale Siddiqi a self described drug addict and illegal alien who had overstayed his visitors visa, note that, not his “student visa” because as a matter of fact Sohale Siddiqi was never a student, and especially was never a “fellow” student nor “classmate” of one Barack Obama, neither at Columbia nor at Occidental. So nothing “Sadik” can ever say can be evidence that this same Barack Obama ever in reality attended a single class at any University. Hmmm

    Michael J. Wolf, Classmate
    “Michael J. Wolf, who took the seminar with him and went on to become president of MTV Networks, said: “He was very smart. He had a broad sense of international politics and international relations. It was a class with a lot of debate. He was a very, very active participant. I think he was truly distinctive from the other people in that class. He stood out.” …… The seminar taught by Michael L. Baron in Spring 1983, an 8 person seminar. Thanks Fogbow, you found evidence that Obama was in attendance at Columbia in Spring 1983.

    Michael Ackerman, Classmate
    “Obama lived off-campus after transferring from Occidental College in Los Angeles. His political science classmate, Michael Ackerman, CC ’84, recalled him as “almost chameleon-like, spy-like, slipped in and out. He tried to keep to himself.” Wow that is a ringing endoresement by Mr. Ackerman. I’m not so sure what this statement means but evidence of Mr Obama attending classes at Columbia it is not.

    Jim Davidson, Classmate
    ... I met Barack Obama at Columbia University when we were both students there in Spring 1983...
    Thanks Fogbow, you did it again, evidence that Barack Obama attended classes at Columbia Spring 1983, your on a roll.

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  16. Part three

    Cathie M. Currie, Graduate Student
    "I knew [Obama] while he was [at Columbia]. He was remarkable then, but not in the way that most people think of as "remarkable." He was not trying to be noticed — he was studious and thoughtful. I said of him: "Whatever Barack decides to do for a career, he will be the best at it." When he left our group he was often on his way to a library." Hey we could be getting somewhere here, this lady really knows Mr Obama, he was a part of their group, she believed he was remarkable, wait, but not in the way most people think of as “remarkable”. Hmmm the definition of remarkable that most people think of would be “worthy of being or likely to be noticed especially as being uncommon or extraordinary”, but Mr Obama “was not trying to be noticed” and being “studious and thoughtful” is quite common in a student, hardly uncommon or extraordinary. Maybe the definition of “remarkable” that Ms. Currie was looking for was given by Mr. Ackerman. “almost chameleon-like, spy-like, slipped in and out. He tried to keep to himself.” What group was it that they were both part of? She goes on to say "We played soccer on the lawn in front of Butler — I was usually the only woman playing and he treated me as equally as the others: if I was open, he sent the ball into the space in front of me, if I wasn’t open — he never made the silly passes that some men did to try to act like they were being egalitarian. The "into the space" passing was consistent — he was a superior strategist — and many of us had been college or semi-pro players. We always wanted him on our team." Ah! A sports group…This is just a load of crap, I am English and have been playing soccer since I was first out of diapers and what she is describing is just a kick about, it is not “playing soccer” and bears no relation to a real game of soccer. And to suggest that this guy who until now has absolutely no connection with a soccer ball, was a “superior strategist” amongst “college or semi-pro players” is ludicrous, especially considering that in 1983, Columbia men's soccer went 18-0 and was ranked first in the nation. I guess Obama’s “superior strategy” was overlooked by the soccer coach. Though now that I think about it since his attendance in 1982 is in doubt, maybe this is just more evidence that he was not around to be picked for the team. Hmmm. The icing on the cake for this women not knowing jack about whether Mr. Obama ever attended a class at Columbia is this quote “I was doing my Ph.D. — I assumed he was a fellow grad student.” Can you just hear the slap on the forehead. Some guy joined her for a kick about on the lawn in front of the library, they chatted afterwards about world stuff, then he left. That’s it! Oh and Ms. Currie received her Ph.D. from Columbia University in cognitive-social psychology. Go figure.

    FACULTY

    Lennard Davis, Assistant Professor (Now Professor at University of Illinois at Chicago)
    “In the spring of 1983, I was Barack Obama's professor at Columbia University. Barack, or Barry as he was known then, was a senior in my class on "The Novel and Ideology." I understand from reliable sources that he liked the class and was intrigued by what I was teaching.” Congratulations Fogbow you again have found evidence of Mr. Obama attending classes in Spring 1983.

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  17. and Finally

    Michael L. Baron, Professor of Political Science

    “One person who did remember Mr. Obama was Michael L. Baron, who taught a senior seminar on international politics and American policy. Mr. Baron, now president of an electronics company in Florida, said he was Mr. Obama’s adviser on the senior thesis for that course. Mr. Baron, who later wrote Mr. Obama a recommendation for Harvard Law School, gave him an A in the course.” Yes, Fogbow you nailed it again, another reference to Obama attending classes in Spring 1983. More from Mr. Baron “In 1983, as a senior at Columbia in New York, Barack Obama enrolled in an intense, eight-student honors seminar called American Foreign Policy. His former professor, Michael Baron, recalled in an interview with NBC News that Obama easily aced the year-long class. But Baron says he never had any inkling that the gangly senior would scale such heights.” Wait. “year-long class” huh! It was a single semester seminar beginning in Spring 1983 and was attended by only 8 honor students, yet Mr. Obama as we already know did not graduate with honors, so was this a class he was allowed to attend because he was short 4 credits required to graduate having missed a whole year of classes in 1982. Hmmm. Mr Baron was also the advisor on Obama’s senior year thesis and the article in the Sundial magazine already referenced.

    That’s it, all that above is the so called debunking put forward by Fogbow in his claim that Barack Obama attended Columbia University from Fall 1981 to Spring 1983. Anybody reading this will come to the same conclusion as I did. Barry Obama attended classes at Columbia University during the Fall semester of 1981 and he attended classes during the Spring semester of 1983. There is no evidence that Mr. Obama attended classes at Columbia University during the Spring 1982 semester or the Fall 1982 semester. It seems that despite this gap, Mr Obama was still able to graduate Columbia College with the credits he had accumulated after his return there for the Spring 1983 semester.

    Hey smrstrauss, methinks you have some explaining to do.










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  18. I reiterate the long standing reality once again. There is no evidence, circumstantial or material, which conclusively shows that Barack Obama attended Columbia University between June 1981 and Spring 1983. For more than a year, there is no testimony, no record, no recollection of his presence during this time. Moreover, there is no documentation which shows he ever attended classes, period. There is only hearsay from sources which can provide no definitive continuity of Obama's activities and presence beginning in Fall 1981 through the summer 1983. This void of information is yet another inconsistency in the perishing dilemma of Obama's true identity.

    "THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE THE TRUTH ARE PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING TO HIDE." Barack Obama

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  19. When Columbia University says that Obama attended Columbia College and graduated, Obama attended Columbia College and graduated. That is what Columbia's spokesman said on two separate occasions.

    Brian Connolly, Columbia Spokesman

    A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science. He did not receive honors, Mr. Connolly said, though specific information on his grades is sealed. A program from the 1983 graduation ceremony lists him as a graduate.

    Robert Hornsby, Columbia Spokesman

    School spokesman Robert Hornsby told WND that federal law limits the release of information about a student, but he could confirm that "Barack Obama applied for and was granted admission to Columbia College as a transfer student in 1981. He enrolled for the fall term of that year as a political science major. With the conclusion of the spring semester of 1983, Obama completed the requirements for a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and graduated with his class."


    And, since you apparently think that Obama did not graduate from any college, that means that Harvard Law School would have allowed him in without having graduated from college, which is supremely nutty.



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  20. When Columbia University says that Obama attended Columbia College and graduated, you can bet that Obama attended Columbia College and graduated. And Columbia University said so twice.

    Brian Connolly, Columbia Spokesman

    A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science. He did not receive honors, Mr. Connolly said, though specific information on his grades is sealed. A program from the 1983 graduation ceremony lists him as a graduate.

    Robert Hornsby, Columbia Spokesman

    School spokesman Robert Hornsby told WND that federal law limits the release of information about a student, but he could confirm that "Barack Obama applied for and was granted admission to Columbia College as a transfer student in 1981. He enrolled for the fall term of that year as a political science major. With the conclusion of the spring semester of 1983, Obama completed the requirements for a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and graduated with his class."

    Moreover, Obama got into Harvard Law School, which would have been impossible if he did not graduate from college---which is apparently what you are claiming (if not, say what college he did graduate from).

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  22. Re: "Barack Obama applied for and was granted admission to Columbia College as a transfer student in 1981. He enrolled for the fall term of that year as a political science major. With the conclusion of the spring semester of 1983, Obama completed the requirements for a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and graduated with his class."

    Whereas he was allegedly granted admission and enrolled in late August, 1981 completing the term in December, 1981, there is no evidence he attended Columbia from January 1982 until March 1983, 14 months before graduating presumably in June, 1983. Moreover, there is no information about how he was admitted to Columbia on merit having been a terrible student at a glorified community college in So Cal. To think that Obama just mozied on up to the CU admin building and applied for admission without any academic credentials is the utter depth of stupidity and ignorance. Failing to ask the basic questions of how this individual was able to become a student at one of America's prestigious institutions without any advocacy is journalistic malpractice worthy of punishment.

    First, was as he able to transfer AP credits from Punahou Academy to Occidental (Punahou is the highest rated college placement prep school in Hawaii out of 280 secondary institutions. It maintains 40 separate Honors/Advanced Placement programs in English, Language, Math, Science, Social Studies, Psychology, Art and Music granting prerequisite college credit to students. 75% of students at Punahou graduate with a 3.2 GPA or better with a median GPA of 3.556 (www.punahou.edu). Many of its students enter college as SOPHOMORES (36-45 S/Q Credits)

    He received his B.A. from Columbia, but how many credits did he actually complete there? How many credits did he transfer with from Occidental? Did he engage in any workstudy or credit abroad? What were his class schedules, if any, from January 1982 until March of 1983? Was he able to take seminar classes or schedule-by-arrangement (I know this is available. I was able to acquire 24 hours of upper-division credit toward a BA in 1985-86 on an Exchange program in the U.K.)?

    Therefore, the questions still have not been answered. Where was Obama from January 1982 until March of 1983? There is no evidence he was at Columbia during this time.

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  23. Obama said that he was a terrible student, but he was talking about himself and measuring against his own expectations. The fact is that Harvard Law School says that he graduated from Harvard Law School MAGNA CUM LAUDE, which means that he must have been in the top ten percent of his class.

    Thus he was capable of doing good work, if he applied himself. It is unlikely that Columbia allowed him to transfer with less than a C+ average. In any case, that decision was up to them, and they had the right to make it.

    You have alleged that Obama did not attend Columbia between two specified dates because there is not evidence that he was there during that time. Well, so what. The fact is that he graduated from Columbia, and that is what counts. It is normal to be on the campus and attend classes, and when you do not, you are penalized. Yet we know that Obama graduated and got grades high enough to be admitted to Harvard Law School.

    Re: " Where was Obama from January 1982 until March of 1983? There is no evidence he was at Columbia during this time. "

    The evidence is that he graduated from Columbia. However, if he was spending the year as an elephant rider with Barnum and Bailey Circus, it does not matter. He graduated from Columbia College and got into Harvard Law School.

    Mitt Romney claims to have spent two years as a Mormon missionary in France. But there is little evidence of it, and there are certainly gaps that cannot be accounted for. What was he doing during those gaps?

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  24. Once again, you have failed abysmally to comprehend the end game of this epic lie or directly address my point. All you do is make excuses for Obama's lack of specificity and obscurity. You do not provide clarity to his identity. Moreover, worse, you fail to appreciate the plausibility that Obama was not at Columbia for more than a year because he was abroad secretly engaged in activities (they are secret by the fact that he has refused to provide information or records about what he was doing at that time!) which cause many to be rightly suspicious about his legal qualifications to hold the office, and which rightly give any real American cause to doubt his credibility. Proof that he attended college as a foreign student or traveled abroad using a foreign passport would utterly destroy his claims to natural born eligibility. He knows this. So do you.

    You are content to dismiss the evidentiary void, but I am not willing to do so. The "lack of evidence" about Obama's identity causes a violent repudiation of his claims to legitimacy because there is nothing to back his claim. This is not a janitor we are talking about. This is potentially a very dangerous situation. Whereas you say the burden of proof of illegitimacy lies upon those who oppose Obama, we say the burden of proof of legitimacy lies upon Obama! The problem with your perspective is that we are not pretending to be president of the U.S., he is! We have nothing to hide...he does!

    If he were indeed rustling pachyderms with the circus, he would not have a reason to hide such a thing unless he so valued a PETA endorsement. So your imaginary scenerio is based on stupidity. In fact, such a "colorful" endeavor would probably increase his likability with his base leading him to brag about it and provide records of his skills with animals.

    Evidence that Obama graduate from Columbia in no way provides insight into his eligibility to hold the office of president as a natural born citizen without a full account of his activities and continuity of attendance. Again, I repeat. The only reason Obama doesnt want to disclose the truth is because he has something to hide.

    The incessant lies, obsfucation and misleading narratives all add up to the conclusion that Obama is not who the media, his apologists and his supporters have led the world to believe he is. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, he is, by default...the most prolific fraud in world history.

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  25. Re: "you fail to appreciate the plausibility that Obama was not at Columbia for more than a year because he was abroad secretly engaged in activities (they are secret by the fact that he has refused to provide information or records about what he was doing at that time!) "

    YOU fail to appreciate the plausibility that Mitt Romney was not in France for more than a year during the time when he was supposed to be there on missionary work because he was abroad secretly engaged in activities (they are secret by the fact that he has refused to provide information or records about what he was doing at that time!)

    Re: "Evidence that Obama graduate from Columbia in no way provides insight into his eligibility to hold the office of president as a natural born citizen..."

    Nor does evidence that Mitt Romney graduated from Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School. Both of them are Natural Born US Citizens because of their place of birth. Obama was born in Hawaii. Romney was born in Michigan.

    The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.

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    1. This was an excellent debate, but no amount of arguement will change the fact that Obama Sr. was born in Kenya and no amount of wishing by those who love this POS will change that, ergo under the regulations and qualifications of the Constitution which he cannot pass, Obama jr, can NOT hold the office of the Presidency of the United States. His father was not born here on our soil, so that single fact blows his lawful ability to even run for office. Why the FEC failed to vet him before allowing him to even register for the office he's holding is a crime of massive proportions. He should have been stopped right then and there, but something went seriously wrong in this, and he is not lawfully in office right now, and any of his executive actions are Null and Void, I will not even recognize any of his penmanship in the unlawful signing any bill, or executive directives, memoranda's as being lawful, and anyone can due the same. He has no standing to be in office anyway, so his terms in office is negated in it's entirety. His 8 years in office can be instantly negated by the next office holder, and it sure as hell won't be a democrap after this disaster of a waste of time and money by this fraudster. It's long past time to nullify him as the President by impeaching him, save for one small detail, since he cannot lawfully hold the office, and he is essentually an imposter, how does one impeach a fraud under the Constitution? Good question isn't it?

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  26. Re "proof of legitimacy."

    Obama has considerably more proof of being legitimate than Mitt Romney. The evidence that Obama's parents were married is that they were divorced. BTW, did you know that Alexander Hamilton actually was illegitimate?

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  27. Re: "YOU fail to appreciate the plausibility that Mitt Romney was not in France for more than a year during the time when he was supposed to be there on missionary work because he was abroad secretly engaged in activities (they are secret by the fact that he has refused to provide information or records about what he was doing at that time!"
    In your concession that I have effectively demonstrated that Obama is a fraudulent president, you are feebly attempting to obfuscate the “dagger” I have thrust into your mind by dissonantly denying Obama’s lies are preeminent because you believe Romney is a liar too.
    First, stop acting like a child. Bad behavior does not excuse more bad behavior. Grow up. Just because you believe Romney is a liar does not excuse Obama’s proven lies and fraudulent identity. Mitt Romney is not pretending to be president, Obama is.
    Second, all politicians are, by foul nature, liars in my view, so Mitt Romney is not exempt. I have said this on many occasions before but you seem to lack the intellectual capacity to comprehend the meaning of my simple words. Please read this carefully…Romney is not exempt from my scrutiny and criticism when sovereignty Is at stake. Proof: I wrote two articles many months ago warning Romney to come clean about his father’s citizenship status at his birth and to avoid Marco Rubio and Bobby Gindal as running mates because they were not eligible under the Constitution. Obviously, he agreed in picking Paul Ryan. Moreover, I have persistently stated that it was illegal for George Romney to run for president in 1968. He was not a natural born citizen. You can read them on this site.
    However, your quip is moot. Romney is not currently pretending to be president, and he has nothing to do with Obama’s fraudulent presidency. Obama’s illegitimacy has been irrevocably embedded into the historic record and there is simply nothing you or any of your Obotic horde can do about it.
    Third, counterfeiting records about missionary work or Tax Returns has no bearing on Romney’s Constitutional eligibility. Romney is still a Natural born citizen whether he files tax returns or lied about his missionary work. Obama is not.
    Fourth, when you successfully provide evidence after a 10-month law enforcement investigation that Mitt Romney has forged information about his missionary work in France or his Tax Returns, then, somehow morph that into suspicions that he is not eligible to hold the office of president, I will engage that debate as your advocate. I am actually entertained by the prospect of seeing how you might do that. Let the BS begin. LOL. Until then, your response is actually quite pathetic. You can’t depose my questions effectively so you run away to the “Romney is a fraud too” room? Really?

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  28. Fifth, start with Romney’s social security number (hint: it was issued in Michigan, WHERE WAS BORN, not Connecticut. LOL). Then, take a look at Romney's Selective Service registration which he was not legally required to complete, but did anyway. It is legitimate with no anomalies like a two digit year received stamp or a signature date BEFORE it was stamped. LOL.

    Then, check the missionary service records in the CLDS archive in Salt Lake City. In them, you will find that he was accompanied by four other LDS youths of equal age assigned with specific tasks serving the LDS church which were recorded by the bishop in France and elsewhere. Nothing hidden there. He didn’t secretly attend a muslim school and renounce his citizenship afterbeing secretly adopted by his mother’s “other husband”.

    Most importantly, take a close look at the image of Romney’s birth certificate. http://riehlworldview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/romney-cert.jpg

    You will find no layers, no smiley face in the Registrar stamp, no security paper pattern smattered with white spaces, no misspelled words in the official seal. You will, on the other hand, find a clearly presented seal of the state of Michigan and the names of the Director of the Michigan Dept. of health. You will also find the AFS file directory number and the word “VOID” in a watermark clearly shown in the margins of the image indicating that Romney is in no way attempting to use the image as a legally certified record with legal weight to make him eligible. By allowing the word “VOID” to appear in the margins, unlike Obama’s, it is apparent that Romney has no reservations about the veracity of the record.

    Sixth, the Repubican Party Chairman of the State of Michigan requested to see the original record of Romney’s birth held at the State Health Department prior to signing the Official Certification of Nomination in July. His request was granted and he signed the certification which explicitly contains language stating that Romney is qualified under the U.S. Constitution to hold the office of President. In 2008, the Democrat Party of Hawaii Chairman, Brian Schatz, failed to do the same for Obama.

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  29. Finally, a natural born citizen is preeminently defined, centuries ago, as one born under the laws of nature, which, in this case, define one’s natal U.S. citizenship by geographic birthplace under the protection of the U.S. Constitution to parentage of two persons, having naturally conceived a child in the natural relationship between a man and woman, both bearing U.S. citizenship at the time of the birth of their child.

    Under your false definition, the founders would have written, “a Common Law-Born Citizen” or used some other language to describe the eligibility mandate. They did not. In fact, they made discernment between a natural born citizen and legalized citizen in the same clause. Why? Because they are different.

    Your ignorance is destroyed when confronted by the fact the framers of the Constitution understood through their generational experiences under the tyranny of a monarchy, they had to prevent anyone with plural loyalties from assuming the highest office. Allowing such an individual put the nation’s sovereignty at risk. Kings and Queens had been intermarrying and cross-breeding for generations in pre-Modern Europe and look what happened. Wars, famine, governmental collapse, betrayal, despotism, public executions, tyranny, disease, failed diplomacy, slavery and on and on and on.

    Therefore, in the wisdom of the founders, having been “evacuated” from tyranny defined Natural born citizenship as a type of citizenship which most closely met with the laws of nature through birth. Those laws govern over two primary aspects of one’s birth. 1. Location of birth and 2. Parentage. By attempting to secure a requirement for president under these metrics, the founders sought the best possible way to secure presidential sovereignty.

    However, I think the founders fell short! I believe a natural born citizen should be defined by birthplace, citizenship of parents, citizenship of GRANDPARENTS and conception in marriage. FOUR conditions, not two.

    Now, you can see how weak and minimalistic your definition is for the qualifications of someone to be president. You don’t set a very high standard for your president, do you? And, look what you’ve gotten. Barack Obama. That’s the best you could get?

    There was no such thing as a natural-born citizen of the U.S eligible to be president at the time of the ratification of the Constitution. Before 1787, there were no natural born citizens of the U.S. which were 35 years old and had lived in the U.S. for 14 years. However, They couldn’t wait 35 years for a presidential candidate to come of age, so they included “citizens” at the time of the ratification.

    “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution….”

    John Tyler was the first Natural Born president of the U.S, born in 1790 to two citizen parents. The previous nine presidents were born before the ratification of the Constitution as legalized citizens (the same kind you believe should be called natural born because of their geographic birth in the U.S.) upon the establishment of the new nation.

    Just to save you time, there is nothing you can cite, no record, no website, no historical document, no opinion…nothing whatsoever… that will even be considered by me or this staff as an alternative definition of the term “natural born citizen”. The mountain of precedence we have acquired in the last five years is simply and definitively unassailable in this.

    The framers of our Constitution wrote “Natural Born Citizen” because the requirement is defined by their innate understanding of the natural laws of God, not the common laws of Man.

    You are in error…epically and foolishly.

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  30. Re: "Just because you believe Romney is a liar does not excuse Obama’s proven lies and fraudulent identity. Mitt Romney is not pretending to be president, Obama is. "

    The issue discussed was whether or not Obama attended Columbia College for all of the two years that were involved in getting the degree from Columbia College that Columbia University has stated repeatedly that he got. The answer that I gave was that there was precisely as much information indicating that Mitt Romney had not been in France for the whole two years that he claimed to be there on missionary work as there was evidence that Obama did not attend Columbia College for the two years involved in getting the degree that Columbia University said that he got---in both cases there is no evidence at all.

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  31. Re: "Moreover, I have persistently stated that it was illegal for George Romney to run for president in 1968. He was not a natural born citizen. You can read them on this site. "

    Broadly you are right. I agree that George Romney was probably not an NBC. Narrowly you are wrong. Anyone can run for president: six year olds, foreigners, naturalized citizens. But none of those categories can BE president.

    Reread the section again. It never says that anyone cannot run for president. It just says that only Natural Born Citizens can BE president.

    And the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, not to the parents of the citizen.

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    There have now been SEVEN state courts—Indiana, Georgia, New Jersey, Arizona and Florida, and most recently Maryland and the State of Washington—and one federal court (the Tinsdale case) which have ruled SPECIFICALLY that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen due to the ruling in the Wong Kim Ark case.

    In addition to these cases, there are others that have stated that the US-born children of foreigners are Natural Born Citizens.

    For example:

    Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999)(children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

    “Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”

    Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983)(child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):

    “Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time.*** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”

    Other authorities:

    The American Constitution, Charles Herman Pritchett – 1968:“Every person born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is a citizen and, of course, a natural-born citizen.“

    The American Review, Johns Hopkins University, European Center of American Studies – 1960:“The Constitutional qualifications for President are astonishingly simple: he must be born in the United States and be thirty-five years of age. These are the only qualifications…”

    Still more:

    “And if, at common law, all human beings born within the ligeance of the King, and under the King’s obedience, were natural-born subjects, and not aliens, I do not perceive why this doctrine does not apply to these United States, in all cases in which there is no express constitutional or statute declaration to the contrary.... Subject and citizen are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives, and though the term citizen seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, subjects, for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land.” James Kent, COMMENTARIES ON AMERICAN LAW, pg. 258 (1826)

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  32. Re: "Fifth, start with Romney’s social security number (hint: it was issued in Michigan, WHERE WAS BORN, not Connecticut. LOL)."

    Please stop making things up. You do not have Mitt Romney's Social Security number and hence you do not know that it was issued in Michigan. Obama's Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

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  33. Re: "Just to save you time, there is nothing you can cite, no record, no website, no historical document, no opinion…nothing whatsoever… that will even be considered by me or this staff as an alternative definition of the term “natural born citizen”. The mountain of precedence we have acquired in the last five years is simply and definitively unassailable in this."

    The Wong Kim Ark case (and by the way it was AFTER Minor v. Happersett and hence would overturn it) ruled six to two (one justice not voting) that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth.

    Here is what it said:

    "It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

    III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."

    That is why the seven state courts and one federal court have all ruled that Obama is a NBC, and not one single court has ruled that he isn't. Nor for that matter has one single court ruled that two citizen parents are required to be a NBC---not even Minor v. Happersett. (And, remember, the Wong Kim Ark case was AFTER Minor v. Happersett, so if Minor had actually been a ruling and not dicta, the Wong Kim Ark case overturned it.)



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  34. You read into Wong what is not there.

    "...the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a CITIZEN of the United States."

    They never declare him a natural born citizen so you are wrong. You then cite dicta about natural born subjects to back your claim. Why is dicta in Wong fine but dicta in Minor useless? It's not even dicta about natural born citizens. Your belief that "born a citizen" equals "natural born citizen" is also wrong. Your arguments are not only completely wrong they are pathetic to the extreme.

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  35. Re: "They never declare him a natural born citizen so you are wrong."

    Since the issue was whether or not Wong Kim Ark was a citizen and not whether he was a Natural Born Citizen, they did not have to declare that Wong Kim Ark (who was not running for president, you know) a Natural Born Citizen. They did have to, and in fact did, declare that he was a US citizen, which was the purpose of the case.

    HOWEVER, there is this little interesting word in English called ALSO. Have you heard it before.

    In addition to declaring that Wong Kim Ark was a US citizen, the Wong Kim Ark case ALSO defined Natural Born Citizen status. The above quotation shows that the US Supreme Court's overwhelming majority (six to two, one not voting) decided that the meaning of NBC comes from the common law (hence not from Vattel or any natural law philosophy) and that it refers to the place of birth, and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US citizen.

    Here again are the actual words:

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    "It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

    III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."

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    1. Continuing:

      You claim that the above is "dicta." But YOU do not know what you are talking about.

      When seven state courts and one federal court cite the words of a US Supreme Court ruling as the law on Obama and one more does the same on McCain (total nine courts, and NONE for the two-parent theory), obviously it is the law and not dicta. Here are some of those rulings:

      "Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: "Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency,

      Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: "Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."

      Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: "It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens."

      Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: "No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father."

      Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: "However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion. [The judge cites Hollander and Ankeny]

      Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: "Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise"

      Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: "In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive."

      BTW, the US Supreme Court on October 1, turned down two birther appeals of the last of the cases mentioned above, Farrar, which said " that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents." What does the rejection of the appeals mean? It means that the birther side could not even get four justices on the US Supreme Court to call the case, and it means that the ruling in the lower court STANDS. It is the law.

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    2. Continuing:

      "Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

      Here are sources to turn to for further research:

      ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution

      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/the-natural-born-citizenship-clause-updated.html

      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/#nbc

      http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/

      http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21346

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