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Saturday, April 2, 2011

FINAL REPORT: Obama's Birth Announcements Fail To Indicate "Natural Born" Status

A new investigation of Obama’s birth announcements appearing in Hawaii’s two primary newspapers in August, 1961 shows, conclusively, they were the result of a registration record taken by the municipal health authority, not a medically verified “Live" birth documented as occurring at a Hawaiian hospital, per an officially defined "vital event" designated by the U.S. Department of Health, National Vital Statistics Division protocols.

By Penbrook Johannson
Editor of the Daily Pen

In August, 1961, two announcements allegedly showing a “native” birth for Barack Obama were published in Hawaii’s two primary newspapers, the Sunday Advertiser and the Honolulu Star. For more than three years since Obama engaged his unvetted candidacy for the presidency, many of his supporters have mistakenly lauded these blurbish announcements as the "holy grail" of proof that he was born in the state of Hawaii.

However, a detailed investigation of the history and procedures used by Hawaii’s municipal health department, and its relationship with the newspapers, shows that not only was it a matter of official policy that Obama’s birth would have been announced in the paper regardless of where he was born, the information used to publish the announcements is not even confirmed through any eye-witness, medical authority or hospital representative in the state.

In 1961, the two newspapers shared the same address and facility for their publishing operations which means they received only one copy of the same vital records information from the Department of Health. Therefore, the format and content of information used in "vital event" public announcements, including births, deaths, divorces and marriage applications, were published identically by both papers, including any mistakes, omissions, order or context. No investigation was carried out by the papers' editors to determine if the information provided by the DOH was actually accurate or, in the case of birth announcements, if the address published and provided by the registrant had any association with the geographic location of the actual birth. More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States.

The two newspapers have long since collaborated into one organization.

Now, however, data from the archive of the U.S. Department of Health’s 1961 Report on Vital Statistics of the U.S – Volume 1: Natality, and Hawaii’s Administrative rules governing the creation of vital records finally reveals the truth about how these announcements were published and why they are mistakenly used by uneducated pundits to promote a misguided message about Obama's natal history.

The Daily Pen’s, Dan Crosby, engaged a two month long research project on location in Hawaii, to, once and for all, close the door on questions about the facts and bring the long-due invalidation of the authority of these fallow Hawaiian birth announcements, in quaint, remote newspapers, to confirm Obama's eligibility to be president.

Recall, for more than two years, major media personalities, such as Bill O’reilly, Chris Matthews and recently fired, Keith Olbermann have enjoyed a willful ignorance in support of Obama's legitimacy while poking fun with these announcements essentially saying to their viewers that the very presence of these announcements means only one of two exclusive options: 1. They are a legitimate and accurate indication of Obama’s geographic birth in Hawaii, or 2. They are the result of some crazy 50-year-long conspiracy concocted by members of Obama’s family and newspaper editors at the time in order to enable Obama to use the announcements some time later as primary evidence that he was born in Hawaii in the event he might run for president some day.

In his investigation, Crosby found confirmed and easily accessible evidence that neither of these choices apply to Obama’s records. In fact, the explanation is far less sensational and simple that it reveals that Mr. Obama (Barry Soetoro) simply benefitted from a commonly used administrative practice in the state of Hawaii which was applied for literally thousands of births which were registered there, but which did not occur there. In doing so, Obama appears to have benefitted from a coincidental set of passive circumstances in which the choice to register his birth in Hawaii also allowed him to engage native U.S. citizenship status, not Natural Born status.

The announcements were a fringe benefit to his eligibility facade which merely occur as a consequence of the non-native birth registration process. However, the primary reason for his family registering his birth in Hawaii was to make sure he was eligible for something far less significant than the presidency. His grandparents wanted to make sure Obama could receive state financial assistance and medical care as an infant of an unemployed, wayward teenage mother and a foreign dead-beat, alcoholic, bigamist.

“The birth announcements were printed from unconfirmed information provided to the Newspapers by the Department of Health who received the information from Obama's grandparents, not a hospital," says Crosby in a phone call from Oahu.

“This information was publish without the DOH or newspaper editors confirming the actual location of the birth in any hospital or location in Hawaii. I found thousands of birth registration records of children born outside of Hawaii who have their announcements published in these two newspapers."

Crosby says this information can be determined by cross-referencing public records with birth announcements and associating the addresses with a residential directory and the natality data provided by Hawaii to the U.S. Department of Health's U.S. Vital Records Report.

Recall that Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows the state Health Department to register the foreign birth of any child as a native Hawaiian birth if the parents of that child can be proven to the satisfaction and criteria of the Director of the Department of Health only, they were residence of Hawaii within one year of the birth, regardless of the location of the birth. This law then mandates that the vital records registrar must register the birth with the vital records office in coordination with an official, original Hawaiian birth record. This law originated during Hawaii's territorial era beginning with births in 1911 and was most recently revised in 1982 to allow the Health Department's director to assume autonomous authority over the evaluation of applicants.

“The Health Department director has complete autonomy in determining whether a foreign applicant qualifies for an original birth record under Hawaii's administrative rules," added Crosby

"Essentially, this means that former Health Department director, Chiyome Fukino single-handedly determined the eligibility of Obama to be President of the U.S."

"Regardless," he continued, "They (newspaper editors) don’t even confirm 'native' birth status. The newspaper doesn’t care if the birth occurred in the local hospital. They don’t even print the address of the birth. They publish the address of the registrant, not the birth place. They merely published information provided to them directly and exclusively from the Department of Health in 1961, which means that any birth meeting the criteria of this law can be registered in Hawaii, and therefore is published in a newspaper announcement. Obama could have been born on Mars and it wouldn't matter to the DOH or the newspapers.”

“The birth location is mistakenly implied to be Hawaii by people because the address of the registrant is Hawaiian as it appears in this newspaper. I also found several birth records in Japan for birth's registered in Hawaii.”

A review of all the birth announcements in Hawaii in 1961 reveals other evidence suggesting a disconnect between the Department of Health and Hawaii’s hospitals.

First of all, as shown by Crosby, all the announcements show the parents as married and living at the same address.

“This is not merely a majority of the announcements, this is actually all of them. Every single one! Approximately 16,000 in all!” Crosby said.

He continued, “This is a significant indication that the newspapers actually do not investigate the information provided by the DOH (Department of Health). If they did, they would have seen that there are more than 1040 births recorded in Hawaii in 1961 in which the parents were not married and/or only the mother is recorded as the parent, yet the papers still publish Mr. and Mrs. ‘Whoever’ in the announcement because that is the information registered, not medically verified.”

If the DOH doesn’t include accurate information about the parents marital status for birth announcements, in all cases, what makes people conclude a native birth even though the DOH also omits accurate information about the location of the birth, as well? Crosby also discovered that the announcements are in a tale-tell order which exposes a shocking fact about Obama’s birth announcements.

"Also," says Crosby, "just an interesting little side-note, we have all been told that Obama's parents were married sometime in early 1961. There are thousands of marriage application announcements published in these newspapers between 1960 and 1962, which were also published from registration information provided by the same DOH vital records office as Hawaii's birth registration announcements. There is no marriage application announcement for Dunham and Obama Sr. anywhere in the volumes I've researched."

Crosby admittedly found that a marriage application registration was provided under different administrative rules in 1961 than those applied to information in birth announcements. A marriage is not a medical procedure like a live birth. However, he says that it fits the Obama "black out" theme that critical information about his parent's vague, fleeting relationship would also stem from the same suspicious vital records reporting municipality.

“Did anyone notice the birth announcements are not in any alphabetic order, or in order of birthdate?" asked Crosby, "This is because, in 1961, birth registration numbers were issued based on the location of the local Vital Records office in which the registration was recorded. The hospital does not assign these numbers, the DOH does. It appears that Obama’s birth was registered in an office not used by any of the hospitals' registration locations who only received medically verified "Live Birth" certificates from either Kapi'olani Medical Center, or Queen's Medical Center. These had access to a local registrar near those facilities,” said Crosby.

He continued, “It appears Obama’s birth was registered with the satellite office near his grandparent’s home some distance from the offices nearest to and most used by the hospitals, a location not commonly used by any medical facility. This particular office was commonly used by indigenous people of Hawaii wanting to record births of children outside of the city. This is why the U.S. Department of Health created the Certificate of Live Birth template in 1959 with a check box indicating whether or not the child was born in the city limits and if the residence of the mother was a farm or not. It appears Obama’s birth at least did not occur in the city of Honolulu and, at most, did not even occur in the state of Hawaii.”

In 1956, the National Vital Statistics Division of the U.S. Department of Health issued a revised template version of the “Certificate of Live Birth” form to be used by state municipalities to record and medically verify births. Since Hawaii had not yet become a state, these revisions to the template would not be used in Hawaii until 1959. Therefore, birth records created after 1959 were subject to demographic clarifications and metrics prescribed by the federal authority of the U.S. Department of Health, not the state of Hawaii.

“This also explains why Obama’s birth announcements appear in the succession of announcements where and when they do. His alleged “Certification of Live Birth” is not approved by any federal authority as an official source of demographic data or medical verification of his birth. It is merely a record of birth registration. Therefore, the order of printing of announcements in the local papers comes directly from the list which is ordered based on the birth registration office location, not the chronological or alphabetical order of the medically verified birth.”

Crosby says the difference between a "medically verified” live birth and a “birth registration” are significant. A live birth is witnessed by a doctor, a birth registration is simply recorded by administrative authority without witnessing the birth.

"Obama's birth registration announcement appears deeper in the column of the paper because his birth was not a medical certificate provided by a hospital like the births shown above his. Walk-in birth registrations are treated differently in the reporting process. They seem to get 'second billing' based on registration indexing," said Crosby

Crosby interviewed former U.S. Dept. of Health Vital Records administrator, Martin Hesch in order to gain understanding of the different procedures and authorities used to create vital records and public announcements in a medical verification process as opposed to merely registering a vital event with a municipal office.

“I think people want to believe a simple equation to this issue,” said Hesch, when asked why he thought so many people ignorantly believe what they are told about Obama’s records.

“Notice that none of the birth announcements published in Hawaii then show the address of the birth place. Why do you think that is?" Hesch asked rhetorically.

"Because the papers had no way of knowing in most cases...too many were born outside of Hawaii. That is why too many people wrongly think that a birth announcement in a local paper is somehow an automatic indication of a local birth. Unfortunately, they wrongly accept a locally appearing birth announcement as an indication of medically confirmed ‘local birth’ and that just simply is not the way it is in most cases in Hawaii in early part of its history. The media also wants Barack Obama’s natal circumstances and documentation to fit the traditional record model because it is too disturbing to them to think that they were so easily deceived… but we also now know they do not fit this model.”

Hesch went on to explain that there two primary authorities to consider when understanding vital records administration. First, you have the medical verification of a vital event, like a birth or death, which is established by a licensed medical professional. Then you have the administrative process implemented by the municipal authority which documents, records and files vital records for the purpose of reporting data to various federal agencies like the Census Bureau and the U.S. Department of Health, the CDC, FEMA, etc.

“Birth events and deaths are unique because they require medical verification in the form of official original documentation attested by a medical authority, and, most importantly, the possession of that original documentation is maintained by the local authority,” says Hesch.

“However, a birth registration does not require the original presiding medical professional because, ironically, a state's Department of Health will be headed by a medical doctor who professional title affords surrogate authority in declaring a 'live' birth."

Aside from obvious complications that may occur during birth, medical verification for births are necessary because in some intances, when a baby is born alive for a only a brief period, or if the child is still-born, the attendant must be legally qualified to determine if the baby was alive or deceased at the moment of birth. If the baby was born alive, the DOH must file a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Death Certificate", signed by the same doctor. If the baby is still-born, a "Certificate of Live Birth" is not filed, only a "Death Certificate" is. This is significant for manner in which the birth is treated for natality data reporting by the DOH.

"A registration can occur anywhere in the U.S. because an administrative process such as that used in birth registrations (not medical verifications), marriages, divorces or amendments to vital records are presided over by legislative rule, not medical diagnostics," says Hesch.

"This means that they are not exclusive to some originating medical authority where the event occurred. That is not to say that a judge in a divorce case, for example, would not require a medical record in making legal decisions, it just means that the standards used to document administrative processes are far different than those used to document a medically verifiable vital event in the U.S.”

Hesch explained this is why it is possible to publish a birth announcement for a non-native birth. The announcements in the newspapers are the result of the registration records held by the administrative authority, not the records created by the medical authority bound by local geography. A "Certificate of Live Birth" is used by the child's doctor to originate a medical history file, a birth registration is merely used to initiate and reference report data with the federal U.S. Department of Health, National Vital Statistics Division.

“The birth announcement is automatically triggered by the creation of the registration through administrative process, when the municipal record is provided to the newspaper, not the creation of a medical verification record by a medical doctor or hospital,” he said.

“The birth can actually occur anywhere and if the announcement does not disclose the location, there is no way to know from just the public announcement whether the vital event is a local occurrence or not.”

Hesch’s explanation brings clarity to Obama’s birth announcements. Conclusively, Obama’s birth was registered in the state of Hawaii, but the announcements were not an indication that it was medically verified as occurring there.

“So, let me get this straight. People who think that Obama's birth announcements indicate a Hawaiian birth actually believe that the newspaper editors of the 1960’s received thousands of different notices from thousands of different doctors from multiple hospitals and villages throughout Hawaii, and then they organized them in some highly coordinated manner for publication in non-computerized publishing system?” asked Hesch, laughing incredulously.

"That is utterly ridiculous," he continued, “that is why the DOH pools this information and provided it for public announcements and why the newspapers accepted the information from the DOH without verifying the facts. The verification process would have been staggering and way too time intensive to meet deadlines.”

“If people would turn off the T.V. and just investigate this stuff for five minutes, they would feel stupid when they realize how simple and unimpressive the reality of it is,” he said.

In fact, the evidence shows that the original medical verification, in the form of what would be an original, 1961 federal U.S. Department of Health "Certificate of Live Birth" signed by an attending physician and attested by a hospital administrator, simply does not exist in a form or content which would promote Obama’s “natural born status”.

Hesch agreed that there is probably information in the original medical birth record, regardless of its origins, which undermines Obama’s identity as a politician and that is the reason why Obama is refusing to disclose it.

“Oh, sure, he is hiding something,” he said, “...that is a fact, and that is the only reason NOT to disclose it. Because, if the original medical record supported his current identity, he would be stupid to keep it hidden. It would only support him in that case.”

When asked his opinion about Obama’s case, Hesch said that is a certainty in his mind that Obama’s birth documentation was subjected to administrative processes or amendments which probably undermine his ability to be a natural born citizen, and that his medically verified natal records show information that the local vital records authority is able to conceal under the guise of identity protection.

“Of course, it’s ridiculous,” said Hesch, “the Secret Service is not required here. This is natal information about a birth which occurred 50 years ago, not a public appearance where the president is under some threat. The only reason to hide the original record is to protect something Obama doesn’t want people to know about him and how that information adversely impacts his ability to be president. It’s plain and simple to me.”

In the medical verification process, a registered professional of a federal board must document the circumstances and metrics of a birth. However, the administrative process used to the document the event for municipal purposes is not bound by medical requirements to accurately express those same circumstances because the vital records data is applied under different authoritative functions. Census reports, vital records reports and demographic data serve a different purpose than health report data. Hesch explained that the reasons for this level of administrative complexity comes from Hawaii’s historically plural culture where you have indigenous, native Oceanic, Asian and, of course, American peoples mixing in the population. Since Hawaii is unique in this and that it was a remote, detached territory prior to becoming a part of the U.S., it was necessary to “customize” much of their vital records processes in order to include all those who would be eligible for U.S. citizenry after the island nation became a state. This meant that including non-native births was necessary because the islands of Hawaii were so permeable to migration.

Therefore, it has now been confirmed by authorities in Hawaii and abroad that Obama’s birth announcements appeared in two local Hawaiian newspapers without the birth having been medically verified as occurring in Hawaii. The announcements are automatically triggered from information provided by the Department of Health, not the hospital. Therefore, since we already know that Hawaii's Health Department registered foreign births, the announcements would include births for these registrations as well, along with local birth registrations.

As a final statement to Bill O’reilly, Chris Matthews and the remaining ignorant slew of media hacks, we would like to say this:

Your failure to investigate these facts has undermined your profession and made you look pathetically wanton as journalists. If you would have taken just two more steps in your shallow observations, just one more level down into the actual truth, you have come to the same facts about Obama’s natal history as the internet community has. Instead, you chose to glance at the drive-by message and believe what some deceitful political animal told you about the matter.

Now, Obama has made you look like a fool.

72 comments:

  1. The author of this blog was asked four days ago to show facts confirming this allegation: "More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States.

    He has not done so yet.

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    1. Entirely irrelevant. This information is contained at several locations across the web. Just because some jock springs up on a blog demanding documented proof does not invalidate squat. It just means that some mental midget likes to play games.

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  2. Maybe he had those records sealed so no one can see them.
    That should not, however, be taken as an indication that there's something in there that he doesn't want people to see, now should it?
    You don't get it both ways.

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  3. dominion said: "Maybe he had those records sealed so no one can see them."

    Are you referring to the author of this blog who claimed: ""More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States. "

    Are you saying that the author had the announcements sealed? Or, are you saying that Obama has had the 1200 announcements "sealed?" (If so, how could the author know about them to have written the assertion?)

    When you claim to have found out "More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States", it is important to give the evidence that backs up the claim.

    Four days have passed, and that has not happened.

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  4. You idiots read the numerious, common sense facts and all you can come up with is "show me the 1200 births". The blurred,fabricated, announcements mean nothing!!!! Plus, the family of five that lived at the address of the announcements, never had a young mother and mulatto live there and this has been verified by the children and neigbors.

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  5. Also, Maya Soetoro Ng, Obamas' half sister admits that she was born in Indonesia and has both a Indonesian birth certificate and a Hawaiian COLB, just like her big bro, the Usurper in chief.

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  6. Just because the author has chosen not to respond to your ridiculousness does not, in any way, damage the credibility of his findings.
    You have to have credibility in order to impeach someone else's, and until an actual certificate of live birth in HI shows up, the credibility is all on the side of the author.

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    1. Sorry, that is BS. He needs to show people who were born outside of Hawaii being a part of the record of Hawaiian births. If he can't do that he has no case and the newspaper articles stand.

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  7. Are you for real? Let's assume so.

    Dan Crosby was supposedly in Hawaii (Oahu?) investigating for this story.

    To your knowledge, has anyone actually seen and handled the physical microfilm containing the birth announcements?

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    1. I read that the microfiche was missing over 2 years ago? Just like the records of airline dates after Obama was born arriving in the US are missing?? Makes you doubt Obama's eligibility for POTUS when all his college records, etc. are hidden from public viewing for vetting the president, leader of the U.S. and the free world???

      It is telling that Obama is speeding up his agenda with his most recent Executive Order that limits our free speech rights of assembly for both those on the right or left. Both left and right should unite and throw out Obama...his governing has been spending us into bankruptcy. We are getting closer to a $16Trillion unsustainable deficit. Harry Reid will not allow a budget to go to the floor to be voted on. How could any American support this action by the leader of the Senate???

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  8. I wouldn't answer SMSStrauss either. He is a known obot who spent a ton of cash on Obama's campaign so that his wife could have a really good job thanks to the administration. he hounds people on an endless basis and doesn't actually care that Obama is probably not legitimate. It would cut his bread and butter down.
    It has nothing to do with our country .. all about his own lifestyle.

    Of course if anyone were interested in seeing a registration of a person who had been born elsewhere than the united states, yet was allowed to register their birth in hawaii all they would have to do is go here

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Certification-of-Live-Birth-in-Hawaii

    I am seriousley doubting that Sun Yat-sen was born in Hawaii ...

    No doubt Strauss will have a problem with this fact though.

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  9. When an author says things like "More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States" and does not say how he has arrived at that fact, it is likely to be false. The author has now had about a week to show the facts on which the 1200 claim is based, if there ARE any facts.

    Other points: The address in the announcements is that of Obama's mother's parents, which is a perfectly legal address to give.

    Obama's sister, who was born in Indonesia, does not have a Hawaiian birth certificate, as the prominent birther Leo Donfrio proved using the Hawaii disclosure law. He showed that Obama's sister does not even have a birth file in Hawaii. Three Republican officials in Hawaii have stated in writing that Obama does have a birth file in Hawaii and that there is an original birth certificate in that file.

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  10. When an author says things like "More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States" and does not say how he has arrived at that fact, it is likely to be false. The author has now had about a week to show the facts on which the 1200 claim is based, if there ARE any facts. Another day has passed, and there still has not been any facts to confirm this allegation.

    It is directly contradicted by the research of the PUMA Lori Starfeld, who wrote:

    "In 1961, the hospitals would take their new birth certificates to Vital Records. At the end of the week, Vital Records would post a sheet that for the newspaper to pick up that contained births, deaths, marriages and divorces. The Advertiser routinely printed this information in their Sunday edition. This is not a paid announcement that his grandmother could arrange. This is information that comes from Vital Records – we know this because this particular section reflects those records. They didn’t have a provision for paid, one sentence announcement that would be included in the Vital Records. At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife. Of course, they can apply later but that would noted as a different kind of birth certificate. I think TD has already addressed that. This information was received by Vital Records the first week of his birth = that suggests the hospital.”

    Let me repeat: “At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. They’d also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife.”

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  11. Two weeks have passed since the truth of this statement was challenged: "More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States" and the author has still not responded with facts that would confirm it.

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  12. Three years have passed since the truth of this statement was challenged: "Barack Obama is a natural born citizen" and the individuals making this claim have still not responded with facts that confirm it.

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  13. The facts that confirm that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen is the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the confirmation of three Republican officials in Hawaii and the notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the absence of a US visa or a change to his mother's passport to include him--one of which wold have been needed if a child were born outside of the USA.

    Obama won the popular election by 10 million votes, received a solid majority of electoral votes (not one of which changed from the general election, so not one Elector thought that Obama was not a Natural Born Citizen, and his election was confirmed unanimously by the US Congress, and he was sworn in by that RINO--the Chief Justice of the United States.

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  14. Hillary Clinton fought tooth and nail for the Democratic nomination... But you still think she's part of a coverup? John McCain and the GOP went to the wire trying to get elected... But you still think they are part of a coverup? Hawaii's Republican governor... Part of a coverup to elect a Democratic president, you think?

    Yet you've done nothing at to verify the bizarre claim that 1200 birth announcements were faked?

    Wow. Are you idiots or just racists? I can't decide.

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  15. Who's the idiot? The ones who question Barry's eligibility to be President, or Barry himself for failing to produce his ACTUAL Birth Cerificate?

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  16. The Certification of Live Birth, the one that Obama has shown, is the real, actual, official birth certificate of Hawaii. Thousands of people use it to get their US passports every year. Hawaii no longer issues copies of the original long-form birth certificate.

    It is truly idiotic to believe that there is a chance that Obama was born outside of the USA when there is an official birth certificate and the confirmation of three officials and notices in the newspapers (sent to the papers by the government, not ads) all showing that he was born in the USA.

    In addition to that, there is the absence of an application for a visa for him in 1961 or the application to include him on his mother's US passport. Either of which would have been needed if he actually were born outside of the USA.

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    1. Your statement is false. Everyone with any professional family history/genealogical research background knows that a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth are two very different documents. Very different requirements for reporting, signatures, sources, and information. This holds true for Hawaii and all U.S. states. Newspaper announcements and requirements by the Dept. of Health and reporting in states vary but often contain some incorrect information. In over 40 years of involvement in research and 10 years full-time I have seen thousands of birth certificates in the United States but certificates of live birth are much more rare.James

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  17. Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, has recently told us after almost three years that she has seen in the past Obama's real birth certificate. She recently told us exactly where it is located in the Hawaii Department of Health offices. Even though Dr. Fukino knows that the real birth certificate is “located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health,” and despite being the Governor of the State of Hawaii, Abercrombie could not find it when recently he went looking for it. Even Tim Adams, former Hawaii election clerk, said that during the 2008 election campaign, no one could find Obama’s real birth certificate. Hence, no current Hawaii official has seen the real birth certificate and only one person in the whole world has done so in the past. Now does such a picture make any sense?

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  18. That should read: It makes sense when you realize that Tim Adams did not have access to the birth certificate records, and neither did any other member of the Election Commission.

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  19. Continued:

    And, by the way, there were Two officials, Fukino and the head of the department of vital records, who stated in their press release that they had seen Obama's birth certificate, and in her recent statement Fukino said that the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, had seen it too. In any case, Lingle's statement that there is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii has been recorded.

    Moreover, the lies of Adams and WND have no effect on the fact that birth notices have been found for Obama in Hawaii in 1961, and the fact that those notices were not ads but were only sent out by the government of Hawaii. And it has no effect on the fact that in 1961 the government of Hawaii sent out notices of birth only for children that it believed were born in Hawaii, and (the unsubstantiated claims of the author of this blog notwithstanding), it did not issue birth certificates with a Hawaii location of birth on them unless it had evidence that the child was actually born at that location. It did so by insisting on witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital.

    And finally, as I said before. There is the absence of an application for a visa for him in 1961 or the application to include him on his mother's US passport. Either of which would have been needed if he actually were born outside of the USA.

    Oh, and Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

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  20. Puzo11 claimed this: "Abercrombie could not find it when recently he went looking for it. Even Tim Adams, former Hawaii election clerk, said that during the 2008 election campaign, no one could find Obama’s real birth certificate. Hence, no current Hawaii official has seen the real birth certificate and only one person in the whole world has done so in the past. Now does such a picture make any sense?"

    It makes sense when you realize that Tim Adams did not have access to the birth certificate records, and neither did any other member of the Election Commission. Thus Adams, like the guy who claimed to have gone to Kenya and came back with a "birth certificate" that was found to be forged--and who refused even to prove that he had gone to Kenya--is not telling the truth.

    The same applies to WND, and to the Daily Mail of London. Both said that Abercrombie said that he could not find the birth certificate. But neither interviewed Abercrombie, and neither had access to a transcript of what Abercrombie said to the Hawaii newspaper. And what Abercrombie said was that there was a document in the files that proves that Obama was born in Hawaii. This could be in addition to the birth certificate, or it could BE the birth certificate--but it is CERTAINLY NOT SAYING THAT HE COULDN'T FIND A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

    Abercrombie did NOT say that he could not find the birth certificate or that it was not there. The statement that he said it is an untruth, and since WND must by now know that Abercrombie never said it, it is a lie. By the way, you now know that Abercrombie never said it, so if you repeat this claim, you also will be lying.

    So, when Adams and WND lie, it is not evidence that the THREE Republican officials who stated that there is evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii were lying. (In fact, they spoke and issued written press releases at the time when there was a Conservative Republican attorney general in Hawaii, who could take action against them for lying, or at least would say something about it).

    And, by the way, there were TWO officials, Fukino and the head of the department of vital records, who stated in their press release that they had seen Obama's birth certificate, and in her recent statement Fukino said that the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, had seen it too. In any case, Lingle's statement that there is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii has been recorded.

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  21. Ann,

    Hollywood celebrity journalist/radio host, Mike Evans, has known now Governor of Hawaii, Neil Abercrombie, for decades. He first met the Governor when the Governor was driving a cab in Honolulu, Hawaii. They became good friends. They spent a lot of time together in Washington during the time of Obama’s inauguration. Abercrombie told Evans then that he was going to run for Governor of Hawaii. He also told Evans that he remembered Obama as a child and that he used to call him Barry. He told him that once he became Governor, he was going to put an end to the story that Obama was not born in the United States by getting a copy of his birth certificate.

    Abercrombie did become Governor and using his powers as Governor, he did look for the document. On January 19, 2011, Abercrombie told Evans during a telephone conversation that he searched everywhere for the birth certificate. He told him that he went to Kapi’olani Women’s and Children’s Hospital and Queen’s Hospital. Abercrombie told him that there is no Obama birth certificate in Hawaii and that there is absolutely no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. Abercrombie also told Evans that he remembered Obama playing in a tee-ball league when he was about 5 or 6 but not before that. A confirmation of this information can be heard on a recording of an interview on the radio 92 KQRS Morning Show done on January 20, 2011. During this radio show, Mike Evans, recounts the details of his conversation he had with Governor Abercrombie just the day before.

    A story on this new revelation and the radio interview can be heard at http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/hawaii-hollywood-reporter-mike-evans.html . A full bio on Mike Evans can be seen at http://www.evansradio.com/mikestory.html .

    On January 20, 2011, former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams signed an affidavit in which he swears that his supervisors in Hawaii told him that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Obama. He swears that he was also told that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any medical record showing that Obama was born in either facility. Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1C21WDdlc

    The rest of your posting contains fabricated information like other people, including Governor Lingle, allegedly actually seeing Obama's hospital-generated birth certificate. You have no evidence of any such event and you are just making stuff up.

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  22. Smstrauss: I appreciate your diligence in reminding us that the author has not produced, for two weeks, verifiable evidence of the 1200 lost souls.
    However, Obama has failed to provide the same level of evidence of his birth for over two years.
    Candidly, your perspective appears to hold a bias.

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  23. Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii, which is the only birth certificate that Hawaii issues, and THREE officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on it. George Bush did not show his birth certificate at all, nor did Clinton, Bush41, Reagan, etc.

    Since none of the others showed anything, Obama's official birth certificate and the confirmation of the THREE officials and the notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the absence of a US visa or amendment to his mother's passport to include him in 1961--are more than sufficient.

    When somebody says something like: "More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States" and the author has not stated the facts on which it is based, it is likely that it is a lie.

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  24. Puzo1 claimed: "Abercrombie told him [Evans] that there is no Obama birth certificate in Hawaii and that there is absolutely no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii"

    But the next day Evans admitted that he never spoke with Abercrombie.

    http://www.blippitt.com/mike-evans-now-says-he-misspoke-regarding-obama-birth-records

    Even if he had spoken with Abercrombie, it would be at most hearsay. More importantly, it is highly likely that all the stuff about hospital birth certificates is a complete misunderstanding.

    Hospital birth records are NOT birth certificates. It is entirely likely that hospital records for Obama do not exist. Why should they? Is there any requirement that hospitals keep their birth records for nearly 50 years? So, Evans is right, the hospital records probably do not exist.

    But they are NOT the birth certificate. What Abercrombie may have been doing was to look for hospital records in order to confirm the official birth certificate, which Hawaii does not give out. And they do not exist. But the original birth certificate does exist.

    We know that because of the two statements by the Republican officials in writing that there is (1) an original birth certificate in the file. The first press release they issued clearly said ORIGINAL, and (2) the second confirmation in which the officials said that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Most recently Fukino added something to this. Her recent statement said that the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, had called for the birth certificate and had seen it herself. So three Republican officials saw the original birth certificate. Lingle has already stated that there is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and added the name of the hospital--Kapiolani.

    Re Tim Adams. Since neither he nor any other Election Commission official had access to birth records, the affidavit is a lie. But Adams does not have to worry about being prosecuted because he knows very well that the case will never go to trial.

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  25. Ann,

    You said: "George Bush did not show his birth certificate at all, nor did Clinton, Bush41, Reagan, etc."

    Their grandmother did not say they were born in Kenya. African newspapers did not say they were born in Kenya. The former governor of a state did not say they were immigrants. Their wives did not say that their home country is Kenya. Kenyan government officials did not say they were born in Kenya. They did not refuse to show their hospital-generated long form birth certificate when asked for it by a majority of Americans. Their birth hospitals did not refuse to confirm they were born there. They did not write letters to their birth hospital saying they were born there and refuse to confirm that they wrote any such letter. They did not travel around the globe and refuse to show their passports and visas used for those trips. They did not refuse to release their travel, education, and work documents when asked for them by millions of Americans. They did not expend millions of dollars of public and private funds when they could have resolved the pressing problem within 10 minutes and with $10.00. And they were all born in the U.S. to U.S. citizen fathers and mothers.

    Need I say more.

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  26. Ann,

    It really is unbelievable how all these people just got so confused over where someone was born and over such a simple thing as whether someone has a birth certificate or not.

    And you call the birthers conspiracy theorists?

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  27. Ann don't be an idiot. Evans lied to fox news and Peter Boyles on the same day saying he only told one radio station about his conversation with Neil Abercrombie and played it off like he was talking about the WND post, when in hard fact, he told dozens of stations that morning he spoke with Neil; Using statements such as "Yesterday I talked to neil" as well as "And he (Neil) said". He even said "Neil also said" in one phone call. So don't give us that BS that Neil didn't talk to Abercrombie.

    Evans was lying to Fox.

    And stating that the Certification is the only form Hawaii offers is bogus. It wasn't even regarded as proper verification of birth/citizenship for MANY things until 2009 (after the controversy got heated).

    You like spreading bogus lie after bogus lie.

    @ptet: Hilary didn't even bring up reverend Wright. Why expect Hillary to completely nuke Obama over the Presidency? They're both two peas from the same pod.

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  28. The AlphaCrux said: "It wasn't even regarded as proper verification of birth/citizenship for many things until 2009."

    WHO told you that? It is wrong. From the moment that the Certification of Live Birth became the official birth certificate and only birth certificate that Hawaii issued in 2001, it was accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US government--both the State Department and the branches of the US military. It was also accepted immediately as proof of birth in Hawaii by ALL the departments in Hawaii (Yes, including DHHL, I checked.)

    The one department that said that it it preferred the original, DHHL, did not use it to prove birth in Hawaii but to prove Hawaiian racial origin. It has said that it always has accepted the Certification of Live Birth as proof of birth in Hawaii. It an all the other departments in Hawaii.

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  29. Re Puzo1's statement: "Their grandmother did not say they were born in Kenya. African newspapers did not say they were born in Kenya. The former governor of a state did not say they were immigrants. Their wives did not say that their home country is Kenya. Kenyan government officials did not say they were born in Kenya. They did not refuse to show their hospital-generated long form birth certificate when asked for it by a majority of Americans."

    1) Obama's Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. Lying birthers said that she said it. The complete transcript of her taped interview shows that the Kenyan grandmother repeatedly said that Obamas was born in Hawaii, "where his father was studying at the time." There is also another interview, the Hartford Courant's interview, in which Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

    1A Even if Obama's Kenyan grandmother had said that he was born in Kenya (which she didn't, and in fact said that he was born in Hawaii), it would not be proof of birth in Kenya.

    For a child born in Kenya to get to the USA still requires (and required in 1961) either a US visa or to be entered on his mother's US passport to get to the USA. No such document or the application for it has been shown for Obama.

    Re: "The former governor of a state did not say they were immigrants."

    Answer: That refers to the fact that he immigrated from Hawaii to Chicago, it certainly does not say "born in Kenya."

    Re: "Their wives did not say that their home country is Kenya. "

    Answer: The reference to home country is also the way that Kennedy and Reagan referred to Ireland, and neither was born in Ireland.

    Re: "Kenyan government officials did not say they were born in Kenya."

    Answer: The Kenyan ambassador, whose original language was not English said Yes to a question he did not understand. If he, or any other Kenyan official had evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, they would have shown it or referred to it. More importantly, for liars like you, if the birthers had really belied that the Kenyan Ambassador or any other Kenyan official had proof that Obama was born in Kenya, they would have asked to see it. They did not ask to see the evidence; they were happy to hear the "Yes," which the Ambassador has said was because he did not understand the question.

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  30. Re: "They did not refuse to show their hospital-generated long form birth certificate when asked for it by a majority of Americans."

    Answer: The reason is that the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii is sufficient, since it is the official birth certificate used by thousands of people every year. AND, Hawaii no longer sends out the original birth certificate to anyone, so Obama does not have a copy. He therefore did not refuse to show it; he showed the birth certificate that he was sent.

    For Obama to have been born in Kenya, THREE Republican officials would have to be lying about there being evidence that "VERIFIED" his birth in Hawaii. The notices in the newspapers in 1961 would have to be in error or the officials in Hawii in 1961 fooled by a lie from the family (and why should they lie, a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one for everything but running for president). And, there would have to be an explanation for how Obama got from Kenya to the USA without either a visa or being enterred on his mother's US passport.

    BIRTHERS would have to be able to explain all three, and not merely lie about "300 children" born outside of the USA receiving Hawaii birth certificates with Hawaii locations of birth on them.

    Re: "And you call the birthers conspiracy theorists? "

    I call them LIARS. The claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya is a LIE. Cutting off the tape before she answered the question: ""I would like to visit the place where he was born. Where was he born?" is a LIE. Ignoring the Hartford Courant interview in which she said that the first that her family in Kenya first learned about Obama's birth from a letter from Hawaii is a lie.

    The guy who claimed that he went to Kenya and got a "birth certificate" there was lying about the birth certificate and about even going to Kenya. Adams, who did not have access to the birth certificate files, is lying. The Three Republican officials who said that he was born in Hawaii are telling the truth. The notices in the Hawaii newspapers of Obama's birth are telling the truth, and the absence of a US visa or Obama being entered on his mother's passport in 1961 are all the truth.

    WND, which quoted Abercrombie as saying that the birth certificate could not be found, is lying because Abercrombie never said any such thing.

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  31. Puzo1 Said "Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, has recently told us after almost three years that she has seen in the past Obama's real birth certificate. She recently told us exactly where it is located in the Hawaii Department of Health offices. Even though Dr. Fukino knows that the real birth certificate is “located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health,” and despite being the Governor of the State of Hawaii, Abercrombie could not find it when recently he went looking for it. Even Tim Adams, former Hawaii election clerk, said that during the 2008 election campaign, no one could find Obama’s real birth certificate. Hence, no current Hawaii official has seen the real birth certificate and only one person in the whole world has done so in the past. Now does such a picture make any sense? "

    hey Putzy remember me?

    First Dr Fukino has been saying that since 2008. Second when she went to examint President obama birth certificate she was not alone, she had the official on charge of maintaining the vital records with her. So its not just one person. Third Governer Lingle confirmed Fukino even as she was on the stump fighting for the election of John McCain as president. You think if they had any evidence they should not have used it?

    Now We actually asked a French (as in really french) Laywer to come up with a translation of Vattel...

    "Citizens are members of a civil society (1) and are linked to said society by certain duties and since they subject to its authorities, they enjoy some of its rewards. Natives or indigenes (2) are those born in that country from blood relatives (3) who are already citizens. (4) A society being only able to survive and perpetuate itself through the children of its citizens, said children inherit the status of their parents and all their rights and obligations. "

    That means that according to Vattel, President Obama would be what is now called a natural born citizen. Sorry.

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  32. TheAlphaCrux said...

    And stating that the Certification is the only form Hawaii offers is bogus. It wasn't even regarded as proper verification of birth/citizenship for MANY things until 2009 (after the controversy got heated)."

    Hey alpha. What did you do when Donald Trump published his second Birth Certificate. You know, his CERTIFICATION OF BIRTH that he had been using for all uses since 1999 when he got it. This after blathering everywhere that a certification was useless for getting anything. Well guess what, he knew that was a lie as he had been using a certification for at least 12 years himself.

    And yes I can get a picture. In fact here it is.

    http://badfiction.typepad.com/.a/6a00e553b3b3a78833014e870faade970d-800wi

    So you wanna tell the Donald that he was using a crappy BC all this time?

    And how come nobody has been able to show a Hawai'in "long form" that's less than 10 years old if they are available, Sherlock?

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  33. "William said...

    Smstrauss: I appreciate your diligence in reminding us that the author has not produced, for two weeks, verifiable evidence of the 1200 lost souls.
    However, Obama has failed to provide the same level of evidence of his birth for over two years.
    Candidly, your perspective appears to hold a bias."

    hey William, you know which other President in american history has revealed his official Birth cert to the public in the election campaign?

    Guess what. No other president in history ever did.

    Do you know who refused to publish his birth certificate in 2008?

    John McCain. He was asked to and he flat out said no. Why weren't you screaming to John McCain to show his Birth certificate? And no he never presented his Birth cert to the senate hearing either.

    And The woman who was campaigning with McCain confirmed that Obama had actually released his verifiable evidence of US birth. I think when someone's opponent who was losing in the polls says the guys evidence is kosher, you really should drop the crap and focus on fighting Obama on the issues.

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  34. Puzo1 said...

    Ann,

    You said: "George Bush did not show his birth certificate at all, nor did Clinton, Bush41, Reagan, etc."

    Their grandmother did not say they were born in Kenya.

    Niether did Obamas

    African newspapers did not say they were born in Kenya.

    Didn't do it foer Obama either.

    " The former governor of a state did not say they were immigrants."

    Ditto

    " Their wives did not say that their home country is Kenya."

    Ditto

    " Kenyan government officials did not say they were born in Kenya.

    These the same officials that said the United states have 51 states?

    " They did not refuse to show their hospital-generated long form birth certificate when asked for it by a majority of Americans."

    What majority? Last I checked a Majority of Americans voted for the guy even with all these silly questions unanswered.

    Oh yeah and Terry Lakin's Brother admitted on live radio that Terry had tried to get a long form for his Hawai'in born daughter and could not get one. So he went to jail for something he knew was impossible to get. That's my definition of dumb.

    " Their birth hospitals did not refuse to confirm they were born there. They did not write letters to their birth hospital saying they were born there and refuse to confirm that they wrote any such letter."

    The hospital which published the letter on their website and used it in fund raising, perchance with no objection from the White house, perchance?

    " They did not travel around the globe and refuse to show their passports and visas used for those trips. They did not refuse to release their travel, education, and work documents when asked for them by millions of Americans."

    A dentist, disbarred Lawyer, a failed constitutional attorney and a manic depressive don't consist of a majority of Americans.

    And last I checked those documents are protected the same as yours by privacy laws AND are irrelevant for determining eligibility

    " They did not expend millions of dollars of public and private funds when they could have resolved the pressing problem within 10 minutes and with $10.00. "

    Neither did Obama.

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    1. new discovery in british archives .. Kenya sent to british archives that a son was born to Barack obama Sr. in Kenya in 1961

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  35. "Ann said...

    WND, which quoted Abercrombie as saying that the birth certificate could not be found, is lying because Abercrombie never said any such thing."

    Now this is 100% true.

    So what did WND actually say?

    "WND Exclusive BORN IN THE USA?
    Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

    By Jerome R. Corsi

    Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health."

    Of course Corsi had faith that his army of Birthers would never click the link in the article to check the facts for themselves. or even scroll down to the end of the article where Corsi belatedly quotes some what Albercombie actually said in order to cover Corsi's precious ass.

    Lets see what The Gov actually said, IN FULL, shall we?

    "Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?

    A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.

    (Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)

    It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...

    ...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.

    If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president."

    Kudos to Ann for fighting to shine a light in a place where the people have their hands over their eyes and their eyes screwed shut.

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  36. A Liberal walked into a bar and asked the bartender, “Hey, have you heard the latest Birther joke?” The bartender replied coldly, “No. And I’ll have you know I’m Birther.” That’s OK,” said the Liberal. “I’ll talk slowly.”

    Q: If you’re paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes will fit in your doghouse?
    A: Ask the Birfers. That question would make perfect sense to them.

    Q: What skill must be learned for a Scout to earn a Birther Merit Badge?
    A: The Scout must demonstrate the ability to figuratively tie the United States Constitution into a hangman’s noose.

    Q: What do you call 10 Birthers standing ear to ear?
    A: A wind tunnel.

    Q: What’s wrong with Birther jokes?
    A: Birthers don’t think they’re funny and other people don’t think they’re jokes.

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  37. RoadScholar,

    "Birthers don’t think they’re funny [because they're not] and other people [mindless Obots] don’t think they’re jokes.

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  38. Ann
    If Dunham and baby were stranded in Mombasa, Kenya and needed urgently to get back to Hawaii she could have obtained from any US consulate an emergency travel document, not necessarily a visa, for baby Obama. This would have been a separate document from her passport. No entry needed to have been made in her passport. It would have enabled her to board an airplane or passenger boat with baby, and to re-enter the US with baby Obama without any problems at all.

    If Dunham was abandoned in Kenya by out-of-money bigamist Obama,senior, then I'm sure the Ford Foundation (Obama, senior's official student sponsor), or a similar US charity, would have been notified of her plight and paid for her travel tickets and expenses, and facilitated with the US consul for such a travel document to be issued for the baby.

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  39. Ann said "When somebody says something like: "More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States" and the author has not stated the facts on which it is based, it is likely that it is a lie."

    On the contrary, Ann, it is likely to be true!
    300 births outside US borders for Hawaii over six years 1960-65 seems a very likely and perfectly reasonable figure to me! Its only 50 a year!
    Or are you conning us into believing that a baby born outside the US borders to US citizen parents can never become an American citizen!
    Well, such a baby most certainly can! And it will also need a home state for it to be registered in.

    In the early 60s Americans were all over the world: in the military, in government, in business, in education. Many would have been married and had their partners with them...and had children! But, unfortunately, some children would have acquired involuntary dual citizenship which, under the Constitution, would have disbarred any that wished to run for POTUS.

    But to Obama, and people like you, the Constitution is just so much ass-wipe toilet paper!
    And people who have deep respect for the Constitution, both in letter and spirit, such as many "birthers", are made the butts of your inane, crude liberal jokes.

    In effect you're laughing at the Constitution and it is totally unacceptable.
    Good liberals are going to suffer extremely heavily for this ongoing daft, stupid cover-up on behalf of Obama!

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  40. More than a month has passed, and the author of the following statement has still not shown any evidence to confirm it: "More than 1200 birth announcements between 1960 and 1965 were shown to contain Hawaiian addresses for registrants of births outside of the state of Hawaii, including more than three hundred in which the child was born outside of the United States".

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  41. Re: "If Dunham and baby were stranded in Mombasa, Kenya and needed urgently to get back to Hawaii she could have obtained from any US consulate an emergency travel document, not necessarily a visa, for baby Obama. This would have been a separate document from her passport. No entry needed to have been made in her passport. It would have enabled her to board an airplane or passenger boat with baby, and to re-enter the US with baby Obama without any problems at all."

    IF that had happened, there would have been a record of the issuing of an emergency travel document.

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  42. Anyone who has the finger on the nuclear button should give up all rights to all privacy, this includes the original vault long form with footprints, stamp; and all college records, which Obama sealed in an Executive order just when he started. "African" was not used, use scribd com to find US government practices in 1961, the hospital was not named as such until 1978, so this was PURPOSELY presented as a fraud to measure exactly how passive and/or stupid Americans are. We're talking about precise metrics here. Wargaming data.

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  43. Sun Yat-Sen, know who he was? He has a Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii.

    Use scribd com to verify this, or do your own research.

    He was born in China. It was no problem getting Hawaiian papers for a long time, know why?

    Do your research, free your mind.

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  44. whatreallyhappened com/IMAGES/ObamaLineup.jpg
    whatreallyhappened com/WRHARTICLES/obamathelovechild.php

    Frank Marshall Davis was born in 1905, old enough to serve in WW2.
    Obama's a love child. In any case, there are two or more strong reasons to impeach him, one involves his ability to conduct assassinations. What's the other one? Ah, get that noggin' churnin'

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  45. scribd com/doc/50508119/Vital-Statistics-of-the-United-States-1961-Vol-1-Natality-Pg-231-Race-and-Color

    Use Control key + "F" to find words on webpage.

    Negro gets how many hits? Seven.
    African gets how many hits? Zero.
    (Black gets two hits but not in context.)

    There's your clue, the COLB is a stupid test.
    Time moves forward, that means if they didn't use "African" in 1961, using it today in your faked document doesn't cut it.

    Stupid test. Are you stupid? Yes or no?

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  46. Re: Sun Yat-Sen, know who he was? He has a Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii."

    Answer: That was in 1904, and it was done for political reasons. There is no evidence that children who were born outside of Hawaii could get Hawaii birth certificates with the words "
    Place of Birth: Honolulu" (which are the words on Obama's birth certifices) in 1961.

    No evidence and all.

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  47. Re: "African"

    The officials in Hawaii, Republican officials, have repeatedly stated that you could (and in fact you still can) describe your race anyway that you wanted to.

    And in the 1960s it was common for African exchange students to describe their race as African.

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  48. Re: "The hospital was not named as such until 1978..."

    Who told you that? It is WRONG.

    The name of the hospital in Obama's long-form birth certificate is EXACTLY the same as on the birth certificates of the Nordyke twins on WND's site. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

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  49. Ann, get your head out of your ass.

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  50. Ann, so how many celestials were there in Hawaii? How many Vulcans? What about other one-off originals where people just made up names of races, since you 'could use any word you wanted to'?

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  51. What color is an African?

    What color is a Boer?

    What color is an Afrikaner?

    What color is a Dravidian in Africa?

    What color is Japanese or Chinese person from African?

    Substitute the word race or ethnicity for color.

    Get the point?

    Okay, still clued out? What about American, or Antarctican?

    Now do you get it?

    Do you see you're not making any sense, Ann?

    Earth to Ann, get a clue.

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  52. Dunham did it not for political reasons, but for a whole host of other reasons. Health care, for instance. Fill in the blanks. Jesus you are stupid, Ann.

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  53. How do you answer the charge that Obama Soetoro is guilty of at least two impeachable offenses? One is putting out assassination orders on anyone he pleases.

    How's you likey them apples? Annie?

    $27+++ trillion pledged to private bankers, that number is almost 2 years old. Bloomberg/Reuters.

    Can't deny these charges. What say you? Is this poser a god to you? He can do no wrong?

    One day, no boots on the ground in Libya, the very next day, troops in Libya, do you think this guy is blackmail-able?

    Let's see, Larry Sinclair, Rezko, Don Young murder.

    Hmmm, records from college sealed.

    Finger on the nuclear button, but NOOOO.... we can't tread on the sensitive privacy issues... don't want to offend him, oh no!

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  54. Re: "What color is an African? What color is a Boer?'

    Since people were allowed to describe their race anyway that they wanted to, as the Republican officials in Hawaii have said, a person who was white could declare himself as Black or Negro or African. And a person who was black could declare himself as white.

    That was the law IN HAWAII. So, was it normal for African exchange students to describe themselves and "African"? Answer: YES.

    As for the things that you claim were impeachable offenses. It is your right to petition Congress to impeach Obama, and they will laugh at you.

    Re college records "sealed." Answer: No. They are simply private. Obama did not have them "sealed." They are just as private as anyone else's college records. However, IF the Republican candidate for president shows her or his college records, Obam ais likely to do so too.

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  55. Re: "Dunham did it not for political reasons, but for a whole host of other reasons. Health care, for instance. Fill in the blanks."

    Answer: You would get all the advantages of citizenship, even for a child born outside of the USA, by simply naturalizing the child and making him a US citizen. IF Obama had been born in Kenya or in some other country than the USA, Dunham could have him naturalized, and not run the risk of trying to get him past US immigration without a US visa or him being entered on a US passport. And not have to run the risk of lying about the place of birth to the officials in Hawaii.

    Yet, the birther notion that Obama was born outside of Hawaii requires not merely that Dunham ran the risk of lying for little apparent benefit and despite the risk, but that she got away with the lie.

    Obama’s parents would have had to have:

    (1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya);

    (2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed;

    (3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);

    (4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;

    (5) got three Republican officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii.

    ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.

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  56. Ann,

    Why don't we just cut to the chase. You profess to know so much about Obama. Let's see a document from Kapi'olani Hospital (not the Hawaii Health Department) that confirms that Obama was born there. Simple, right? No excuses, please?

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  57. The official birth certificate of Hawaii is issued by the STATE of Hawaii. Hospital birth records are not official, could easily be forged and are not accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department. There is also federal law forbidding hospitals from releasing those records. AND, we do not even know that Kapiolani Hospital still has the birth records of 1961. It may have microfilmed them, or it may not have.

    In any case, the absence of a document from Kapiolani Hospital would not prove that Obama was born outside of the USA. For Obama to have been born outside of the USA ALL of the following would have had to have taken place:

    Obama’s parents would have had to have:

    (1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya);

    (2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed;

    (3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);

    (4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;

    (5) got three Republican officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii.

    ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.

    Surely you can answer all five of those points.

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  58. Ann,

    The burden of proof is on Obama to prove where he was born. The American people do not have the burden of proof to go around the globe looking for his place of birth. It is that simple.

    He has put forth a document on the internet which he alleges is his long-form Certificate of Live Birth. There is now enough evidence showing that it is a forgery. Hence, he must show some other evidence.

    Our Federal agencies accept medical evidence as evidence of place of birth and identity. Hence, Obama needs to produce that medical evidence from Kapi'olani Hospital, the hospital in which he says he was born and which is stated as his birth place on his alleged long-form birth certificate.

    1961 is not that far back in time. Surely, the hospital has evidence of Stanley Ann Dunham and baby Barack being there, if they were there. Also, Stanley Ann Dunham would have had pre-natal and post-natal medical care for herself and baby Barack. Where is that medical evidence?

    Please, no more excuses.

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  59. Re: "The burden of proof is on Obama to prove where he was born. The American people do not have the burden of proof to go around the globe looking for his place of birth. It is that simple. "

    Answer: Obama has provided the official and long-form birth certificates of Hawaii. That IS proof. And the US Congress has confirmed Obama's election UNANIMOUSLY. That means that there was no doubt by a single one of 535 members of Congress that Obama was born outside of the USA or that the citizenship of Obama's father has any effect on his natural born citizen status.

    Re Medical evidence. Actually, no. The US State Department does not accept a hospital birth certificate as proof of birth in the USA. It requires an official birth certificate, a government birth certificate. In Hawaii, it accepts the Certification of Live Birth. Thousands of people use it every year to get their US passports.

    Since Obama has provided the official birth certificate and the long-form birth certificate, and THREE Republican officials have confirmed the facts on it, it is up to the birthers to prove that it is all a lie. Obama has provided more evidence of his birth in the USA than any other president, and there is absolutely no evidence of him being born outside of the USA.

    Even the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya is a lie. She never said any such thing. She said repeatedly in the taped interview repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii. A letter from Hawaii.

    There is also a witness, who recalled being told of Obamas' birth in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it.

    Obama has provided sufficient evidence. With the confirmations of the Republican officials, it is overwhelming. Obama does not have to provide any more evidence. So, it is up to you to convince us HOW Obama could possibly be born outside of the USA.

    Obama’s parents would have had to have:

    (1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya);

    (2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed;

    (3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);

    (4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;

    (5) got three Republican officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii.

    ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.

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  60. Ann,

    You provide the same worn out response that I have seen on various Obot sites. Please spare me and do not waste my time any further.

    Face it, you cannot produce the evidence of Obama being born in Hawaii.

    All your globe-trotting analysis also is of no moment when the simple point is: Let's see the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii.

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    1. Ann actually is not legally or morally obligated to provide YOU, an obvious duped ignoramus, ANYTHING.
      The FACT of his birth is indisputable, incontrovertible, and undeniable, yet you flakes all continue rabidly drooling over the alternative universe. Today, Dec 21, 2012, is the End of Time for the NRA, as the lunatic LaPierre thinks while they have been fronting and laundering money for right-wing candidates for years, all of a sudden the rest of America would rather arm teachers, staff every school with weapons, rather than accept the obvious, which is it is easier, cheaper, and more effective to keep guns, and especially assault weapons (Q: why do you think they call them ASSAULT Weapons?) out of the hands of troubled individuals. Read the Brady gun control website for actual stats and realize among other things that Australia had the spine to revoke most of the most ridiculous gun-worshipping rights, resulting in a dramatic end to this sort of massacre, while NOT creating a Gulag state.
      LaPierre is a toadie of the gun manufacturers and is an insult to the history of hunting prior to 1965.

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  61. Face it, you continue to lie about Obama's birth certificate being forged. You ignore the fact that three Republican officials have confirmed the facts on Obama's birth certificate. You ignore the notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (which were not ads but were notices sent by the government).

    You have no credibility whatsoever. In fact, you are a good example of why Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck all all birthers crazy.

    Obama has shown official evidence of his birth in Hawaii, and it has been confirmed by three Republican officials and by the notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 and the witness who wrote home about Obama's birth, and the Kenyan grandmother who said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

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  65. I refer you to the English pravda and an article well written by Dianna Cotter ( http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/07-03-2012/120708-arizona_sheriff_obama-0/# )


    THIS IS JUST AN EXCERPT FROM THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN SECTION OF THAT ARTICLE:

    The second reason for Obama's concern lies in the Supreme Court of the United States case Minor V. Happersett (88 U.S. 162) 1875 which defines Natural Born Citizen:

    "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners." Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 168.

    This U.S. Supreme Court case decided that Virginia Minor, the plaintiff, could not use the 14th Amendment to claim citizenship and the right to vote because she was a Natural Born Citizen, and therefor unable to lay claim to the statutory citizenship the 14th Amendment gave to former slaves, which included their right to vote. This is the only U.S. Supreme Court case in the history of the United States to clearly define what a Natural Born Citizen is. It has been cited in dozens of cases since.

    This is an issue which cannot be brushed aside by Mr. Obama. His father, Barack Obama Sr. was a student from the British Commonwealth of Kenya, a British Citizen who never sought to become a US Citizen, and indeed was eventually forced to leave the country. Mr. Obama has only one parent who was an American Citizen. Obama clearly does not meet the requirements of Natural Born Citizen as defined by the Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett.

    The Founding Fathers, the men who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, discussed these very reasons why no person of divided loyalties, divided nationalities, should ever have command of America's armed forces. Dozens of letters and many debates in the constitutional conventions recorded these concerns, always returning the "Law of Nations", Emerich De Vattel's encyclopedic record of the laws civilized nations had developed over two thousand years of which the founders were clearly aware of in their debates:

    "The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights."

    E. De Vattel 1758 Sec 212 Ch19

    Vattel's definition has been accepted since the days the United States was still a motley collection of British Colonies. It has been accepted in no less that 3 Supreme Court Cases, has been accepted in testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives. It is by no means an original source; only recently dug out of dusty tomes in 2008. Indeed, this concept is enshrined in every Nation the world over. Every nation not only accepts, but has enshrined this concept: a person born to two parents who were citizens of that nation and born on its soil was a natural born citizen of that nation.

    If you investigate the Minor vs Happersett case--- you find even more revealing that someone in Baracks cabinet erased that data from that case and was the owner of the database that the attorneys used... look it up Some
    have titled it JustiaGate because it involves Justia.com

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    1. Well said.. someone has read their constitution and Vattel's law of nations.. doesnt matter one bit where he was born.. what matters is whether he had two US citizen parents.. Obama by his own admission did not!! He has usurped the office of president.. should be tried and jailed!!

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